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My Orcs

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:35 pm
by gken1
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... _id=158642

are these guys Bashy?

already being turned down by teams within TR. missing a blitzer even!

well wonder what will happen when a couple mighty blows appear on the team.......

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:53 am
by Skummy
I think you just answered your Cherrypicking question.

Or maybe it's your reputation. :D

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:54 am
by gken1
hmm...he played a nurgle team next :o with a beast :o maybe it is my rep. I got a rep?

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:07 am
by Darknova
In my opion Guard on a BOB doesn't make them bashy. Not like MB or DT anyway.

So it must be your Rep :D

To play or not to play

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:22 am
by TalonBay
Hi gken, few points from my view of things:

8 of your starting eleven are "bashy" to my lowly DE (4 str4 and 4 blitzers) and you are going to want to "get stuck in" as it makes sense to use your strengths. Nothing you'd like better than crushing a few skulls, well, maybe winning and crushing a few skulls.

I'd just come off the back of games vs ogres that were rated much higher than me (and I got mauled, big surprise) and chaos dwarfs that were rated slightly below (and I got mauled, big surprise). Just managed to get a team back together after a recovery game vs an equally mashed up DE team (we each _started_ the game with only 9 players), last thing I need is another mauling straight away!

Within TR but I'd only just avoid getting a handicap, you _must_ have seen this as a promising match up for you. Afterall, after 4 games you've suffered only 2 cas while dishing out 6, I'm 5 for and 5 against after 5 games. It was only ever going to be one style of game:)

Cherry Picking? Games so far are Vamps, Ogres, CD, DE then Nurgle - seems reasonable to me (if anything I'm being a little masochistic). I'm game for a challenge but it'd be nice to try and get an even spread of opponents rather than always being a slight underdog and getting the team mauled.

Why'd I choose the Nurgle team? I had a slight edge in TR (though not enough for a handicap) but the main reason was that despite the abundance of STR (and those damn tentacles!) at least I could hope to use my block skill advantage and better speed. So a game where each team had a decent advantage (and a 1-0 scoreline shows the balance).

I don't even mind bashy teams, it's part of the game, just not up for that style of game every time the team steps out on the pitch. It'd be nice to get a game vs Humans or Amazons for a change.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:21 pm
by gken1
i have 4 st 4 players. Rotters had 3 ST4 players and a beast.

3 blitzers showing up.

4 lineman and a thrower.

my skills guard bob, tackle Blitzer, Block Lineman and an Accurate thrower?

i have a missing Blitzer.

so I guess you are cherry picking.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:49 pm
by TalonBay
LMAO

I'm cherry picking because I didn't fancy yet another bashy game as the underdog like the previous ones? Comedy!

Even after the Nurgle game I'm still on lower TR than you, me cherry picking? it seems to me quite the opposite is true here. Methinks thou doest protest too much! You were looking to beat up some elfs and are pi$$ed that I'm not wanting to be an easy target:)

The Nurgle game proved to be an evenly matched affair that could easily have gone Shepherds way if he'd not had stinking dice. I'll stick with trying to get a bit of variety, you can call that what you like.

Is it cherry picking to play an ogre team 21 TR higher than me? I'd say not but I'm sure you'll find a way to think it is:)

Totally avoiding bashy teams? Yeah sure, that's why I followed the ogres with a game vs chaos dwarfs.

Bored of banging heads and wanting a variation in style of game, absolutely, and my games have been enjoyable so far (mostly for both sides, though I think the bad luck was getting to Shepherd).

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:20 pm
by Azurus
gken1, don't you think you're being a little over-sensitive here?

So you were turned down for one game, it isn't that bad. He'll likely play you later on anyway.

Your team is bashy. Orcs are a bashy team. It's not very bashy (it certainly isn't scary bashy), but 4 BoBs, 3 Blitzers and a block lino is a stong lineup early on. Certainly more dangerous than Shepherd's rotters, mostly since Shep has no block whatsoever. (and has only 3 Rotters, not 4)

You're right, I think it would have been a pretty even game (I'd actually give the slight edge to the orcs), but that in no way means he HAS to play you. If he doesn't feel like playing orcs right now, that's his choice.

I think it's a little early in the day to be complaining of cherry-picking.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:36 pm
by gken1
my point was he played a team that was more bashy. i only said 3 ST4 players = 3 rotters

we had same # of games played. he had more skills.. I don't see how I'm cherry picking :roll:

and I only started this thread after I saw he played rotters.....who are more bashy (higher ST and has MB) than me.

hypocrisy is what it is.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:22 pm
by TalonBay
With the lack of block (and big guy control issues) the Nurgle team was considerably less bashy than your Orcs. The chances of them just beating me up were much lower IMO, there really weren't that many players online (certainly none of the less physical teams) so I took what I thought was going to be the most interesting game.

Yes, we had the same number of games but you had much better TR and TS than me (and your TR is _still_ better than mine). You telling me you thought I had the advantage? C'mon, get real, you're criticising me for playing someone slightly worse off than me and this is exactly what you were trying to do. I guess your hypocrisy comment is truer than you might have intended.

> and I only started this thread after I saw he played rotters.....who are
> more bashy (higher ST and has MB) than me.

Oh, going by the timestamps you started this thread _before_ my game with the Rotters, of course they may be wrong. :) Duh.

Which of my comments was hypocritical BTW?

I just realised, is the problem here that you think I was avoiding _you_ for any reason, rather than your team? Seriously now? Look at my label/tag/whatever it's called, *Rookie*, I'm pretty new around here and I know nobody here let alone what they're like. I've had a quick scan and Valen is a *Legend* too and I played him (his TR was much higher too), is there a correspondance between tag and ability (or is it just number of posts?).

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:43 pm
by Azurus
gken1 wrote:and I only started this thread after I saw he played rotters.....who are more bashy (higher ST and has MB) than me.
Ah well, I think I misunderstood slightly (and I did misread the no. of rotters you posted, my apologies for that). I think you're talking about the races (rotters being potentially more bashy than orcs), while I was talking about the two specific rosters (your orcs, which are pretty solid, and Shep's half-formed rotters).

In general, yes, rotters can be more dangerous than orcs. But I looked at the two rosters at the start of the thread, and if I wanted to play the least dangerous of those particular sides, it would have been the rotters. The beast really isn't that big a threat.

So I don't really think it is hypocricy (spelling?). Yes, he played another 'bashy' side, but I believe those rotters are weaker than your orcs. Seems you disagree, but that's what opinion is for, eh?

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... _id=158642 Gken's orcs.
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... _id=158597 Shep's rotters.

Of course, your team's record is also massively better than shepherd's, which may have been a factor.

EDIT: @Talonbay: no, the 'title' on here has nothing to do with ability, it's purely postcount.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:49 pm
by gken1
Azurus wrote:http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... _id=158642 Gken's orcs.
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... _id=158597 Shep's rotters.

(both teams now 1 game further on)

Of course, your team's record is also massively better than shepherd's, which may have been a factor.

EDIT: @Talonbay: no, the 'title' on here has nothing to do with ability, it's purely postcount.
note: I haven't played another game....this is the team I challenged with...sheps rotters are the same too...only he's got 50k more in cash.

who has done more damage through 4 games? My Orc's 6 Cas. Shep rotters 7's Cas (which he did in 3 games.....none against Talonbay in game 4 which was a silly game played in the rain where he had to worry about the ball since he could never pick it up)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:52 pm
by Azurus
Oops, I'll delete that line. :lol:

EDIT: forgot to answer the actual post. :roll:

You're right, the rotters have scored more cas. That surprised me, I admit. I'd still be more worried about cas playing your team, though, maybe you have a less bashy style than him.

Seems we just disagree on which team is more bashy. Ah well, can't agree all the time.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:33 pm
by squig87
I dont think he is cherry picking. He's in an open league and has the choice of who he plays. Its usually a good idea for elves not to play too many bashers early on. Not a big deal though really. I hope people dont get too picky about games

I'm sure there are ogres or something that want a game ;)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:50 pm
by gken1
squig87 wrote:I dont think he is cherry picking. He's in an open league and has the choice of who he plays. Its usually a good idea for elves not to play too many bashers early on. Not a big deal though really. I hope people dont get too picky about games

I'm sure there are ogres or something that want a game ;)
my point is that he played bashers anyway!