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Right then as we seem to get a lot of questions about starting skills for players (more comman an occurance than asking for what 5th skill a player should have for example) I thought it would be handy to have a small reference here like the rules faq. So i was thinking for each team have links to team related threads and then for each player type put what skills they might take on a normal and double roll. Nothing to indepth but a little handy starting guide>

General Purpose Skills that will be wanted by the given player sometime during their life (Listed in the order likely to attain them):

Amazon:
LineWoman
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
One LineWoman will want Kick
Catcher
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
An Amazon Catchers will usually be further developed with Shadowing, Pass Block, Diving Tackle, Diving Catch
Thrower
Normal: Sure Hands, Accurate, Safe Throw
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Mighty Blow
Double: Dauntless, Diving Tackle

Chaos:
Beastmen
Normal: Block, Tackle, Guard
Double: Foul Appearance
A Beastman will usually want to take Sure Hands early on in the teams creation, Likewise with BigHand is a Dbl is rolled very early in advancement. May want one with Kick Skill
Chaos Warrior
Normal: Block, Tackle, Guard
Double: Claw, RSC
A Chaos Warrior may find a use for Tentacles, tho Claw tends to be the best performing skill available on a Dbl

Chaos Alternative
Beastman:
Normal: Block, Guard, Tackle
Doubles: Big Hand, Claw, Leader, Frenzy, Dauntless (the last two combine very well with horns) - Each double should be a different skill
Chaos Warriors:
Normal: Piling On, Block, Guard, Mighty Blow (no need for tackle, you're not hunting down catchers)
Doubles: Stand Firm, Claw, Razor Sharp Claw, Tentacles

Chaos Dwarf:
Blocker
Normal: Guard, Mighty Blow
Double: Stand Firm
HobGoblin
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard, Dodge
A Hobgoblin or 2 will want Sure Hands for Ball Handling early on. One will want Kick. Other skills will come from a mix of Strip Ball, Pass Block, Pro
Bull Centaur
Normal: Block, Break Tackle, Tackle
Double: Stand Firm, Dodge

Dark Elf:
LineElf
Normal: Block, Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Guard
One LineElf will want Kick. Not strictly Block before Dodge
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Sure Hands
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Other Skills that you will need a mix of are Catch, Leap, Strip Ball, Shadowing
Witch Elf
Normal: Block, Side Step, Tackle
Double: Mighty Blow, NOS
Other Skills may include Shadowing, Leap, Diving Tackle

Dwarf:
LongBeard
Normal: Guard, Mighty Blow
Double: Stand Firm
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Mighty Blow, Tackle
Double: Dodge, Stand Firm
Runner
Normal: Block, Strip Ball, Tackle
Double: Dodge, Guard
You may wish to develop a Thrower, this is unrequired with Dwarfs normally
Troll Slayer
Normal: Mighty Blow, Pro, Tackle
Double: Stand Firm

Goblins:
Goblin
Normal: Catch, Sidestep
Doubles: Block, Guard, Hail Mary
Troll
Normal: Block, Pro, Break Tackle
Double: Pass, NOS, Leader

High Elf:
LineElf
Normal: Block, Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Guard
One LineElf will want Kick. Not strictly Block before Dodge
Phoenix Warrior
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Sure Hands
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Dragon Warrior
Normal: Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Jump-Up, Dauntless
Lion Warrior
Normal: Dodge, Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Lion Warriors should look to develop with Shadowing & Pass Block. Leap is good too

Human:
LineMan
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
Catcher
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Catchers should look to Shadowing & Pass Block as well. Diving Catch has uses sometimes
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Dump-Off
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Mighty Blow
Double: Dodge

Lizardmen
Saurus
Normal: Block, Break Tackle, Guard
Double: Frenzy, Stand Firm.
Skink
Normal: Catch, sidestep.
Double: Block, Strip Ball, Sure Hands
Krox
Normal: Block, Pro, Break Tackle
Double: Leader, Stand Firm.

Norse:
LineMan
Normal: Tackle, Pro
Double: Guard
Catcher
Normal: Dodge, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Catchers, Shadowing & Pass Block as more options, possibly Diving Catch
Thrower
Normal: Sure Hands, Accurate, Safe Throw
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Piling-On
Double: Dodge, Stand Firm or Side Step

Orc:
LineMan
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Block, Dump-Off
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Mighty Blow
Double: Dodge
If you want try skills like Shadowing & Pass Block in your Orcs, use them on Blitzers
Black Orc
Normal: Block, Guard, Tackle
Double: Stand Firm

Skaven:
LineRat
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard, Foul Appearance
Gutter Runner
Normal: Block, SideStep, Stripball
Double: VLL, NOS or Dauntless then Horns
Look to getting 1 Turn Scorers, they are the purpose of playing Skaven. Shadowing and Pass Block Gutter Runners are useful too
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Dump-Off
Double: Big Hand, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Shadowing
Double: Claw, Dodge

Undead:
Zombie/Skeleton
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
Ghoul
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Atleast one Ghoul will want SureHands as his first skill
Wight
Normal: Tackle, Strip Ball, Pro
Double: Guard, Dodge
Mummy
Normal: Block, Guard, Tackle
Double: Frenzy, Stand Firm

Wood Elf:
LineElf
Normal: Block, Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Guard
One LineElf will want Kick. Not strictly Block before Dodge
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Sure Hands
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Catcher
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Catchers, Pass Block and Shadowing are good. On +Ma develop a 1 Turn Scorer. Leap is another option
War Dancer
Normal: Tackle, SideStep, Pro
Double: Dauntless, NOS, Jump-Up
One of the War Dancers will want Strip Ball. Shadowing is also very good

(Most of the hard work was done by korhil, so i just copied his list from further below cause i am lazy ;] )

Amazon: I played Amazons in to leagues and this is what I would suggest

Linewoman
normal: Block, Tackle (one with kick), Strip Ball or Pro
double: Guard, Mighty Blow, Side Step
Catcher
normal: Block, Side Step, Sure Feet, Sprint
double: Jump Up, Nerves of Steel
Thrower
normal: Sure Hands, Accurate, Block
double: Strong Arm
Blitzer
normal: Guard, Mighty Blow, Tackle, Multiple Block ( after dauntless)
double: Stand Firm, Dauntless (only one time)


Human: I played humans in three leagues this is what I would suggest

Linemen
normal: Block (one with kick), Tackle, Pro
double: Dodge or Guard
Catcher
normal: Block, Sure Feet, Sprint or Side Step, Diving Catch
double: Jump Up or Nerves of Steel
Thrower
normal: Accurate, Safe Throw or Hail Mary Pass, Accurate
double: Strong Arm
Blitzer
normal: Guard, Mighty Blow
double: Dodge, Stand Firm


Norse: I played Norse only for nine single matches but I would suggest this

Linemen
normal: Tackle (one with kick), Dirty Player, Pro
double: Guard, Dodge, Frenzy
Catcher
normal: Dodge, Side Step, Sure Feet, Sprint
double: Jump Up
Thrower
normal: Sure Hands, Accurate, Safe Throw
double: Strong Arm
Blitzer
normal: Piling On, Mighty Blow, Guard
double: Dodge, Stand Firm

I don't suggest anything at the other teams because I don't play them myself I know them only from the other coaches in our league.

Gaurd for a double on an Amazon line chick Grum,
I'll get to the rest after work

Are you going to take all our ideas and put them into the above original post at some point?


My views on a couple of elf teams:

Dark Elf:

Lineman
Normal: Dodge, Block, Side Step
Doubles: Guard

Blitzers
Normal: Dodge, after that develop for different roles
Doubles: depends on the role
(Note: You get four blitzers, so some should be catcher types while others blitzer types. Compare with Dragon Warriors and Lion Warriors on the High Elf team to get ideas)

Witch Elf
Normal: Block, Tackle
Doubles: Mighty Blow

Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Sure Hands, Dump Off
Doubles: Strong Arm, Nerves of Steel


High Elf:

Lineman
Normal: Dodge, Block, Side Step
Doubles: Guard

Dragon Warrior
Normal: Dodge, Tackle
Doubles: Mighty Blow, Dauntless

Lion Warrior
Normal: Dodge, Block
Doubles: Nerves of Steel

Phoenix Warrior
Normal: Accurate, Sure Hands, Dump Off
Doubles: Strong Arm, Nerves of Steel

Cheers,
Martyn

Come on, this is a forum we are supposed to discuss things.
This sticky is just all the questions gathered in one big post, so we have to disuss all skill choices at the same time.
If we had to disuss all skill choices at the same time, we would never finish, because there is so many aspects:

What legaue are you in?
What type of team do you play?
What type of skills do you like?
Which skills has you chosen for the other players on your team?
etc. etc.

It's not possible to answer all these questions at the same time.

So if you guys who are tired, of answering questions about team development then don't answer on the thread.
A player should be able to look at what every player has to say about his skill choice.

There's no final conclusion of what to take for a player on your team.

Le Grand

Yer the point was to collate this information. There are allready threads discussing a lot of skill vs skill and if all instances were added here this thread would get very long and be hard to navigate through.

Also there are times when you are playing a race you are unfamilia with and you might not get a response to a post right away, this will at least show you what skills are comman to that player type.

harley_topper wrote:Amazon:
Catcher
normal: Block, Side Step, Sure Feet, Sprint
double: Jump Up, Nerves of Steel

Only one I have problem with is Jump Up. I've found that once they get blodge they don't get knocked down all that often. Jump up only comes into play rarely. NoS & Dump Off would be my choice of doubles.

General Purpose Skills that will be wanted by the given player sometime during their life (Listed in the order likely to attain them):

Amazon:
LineWoman
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
One LineWoman will want Kick
Catcher
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
An Amazon Catchers will usually be further developed with Shadowing, Pass Block, Diving Tackle, Diving Catch
Thrower
Normal: Sure Hands, Accurate, Safe Throw
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Mighty Blow
Double: Dauntless, Diving Tackle

Chaos:
Beastmen
Normal: Block, Tackle, Guard
Double: Foul Appearance
A Beastman will usually want to take Sure Hands early on in the teams creation, Likewise with BigHand is a Dbl is rolled very early in advancement. May want one with Kick Skill
Chaos Warrior
Normal: Block, Tackle, Guard
Double: Claw, RSC
A Chaos Warrior may find a use for Tentacles, tho Claw tends to be the best performing skill available on a Dbl

Chaos Dwarf:
Blocker
Normal: Guard, Mighty Blow
Double: Stand Firm
HobGoblin
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard, Dodge
A Hobgoblin or 2 will want Sure Hands for Ball Handling early on. One will want Kick. Other skills will come from a mix of Strip Ball, Pass Block, Pro
Bull Centaur
Normal: Block, Break Tackle, Tackle
Double: Stand Firm, Dodge

Dark Elf:
LineElf
Normal: Block, Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Guard
One LineElf will want Kick. Not strictly Block before Dodge
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Sure Hands
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Other Skills that you will need a mix of are Catch, Leap, Strip Ball, Shadowing
Witch Elf
Normal: Block, Side Step, Tackle
Double: Mighty Blow, NOS
Other Skills may include Shadowing, Leap, Diving Tackle

Dwarf:
LongBeard
Normal: Guard, Mighty Blow
Double: Stand Firm
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Mighty Blow, Tackle
Double: Dodge, Stand Firm
Runner
Normal: Block, Strip Ball, Tackle
Double: Dodge, Guard
You may wish to develop a Thrower, this is unrequired with Dwarfs normally
Troll Slayer
Normal: Mighty Blow, Pro, Tackle
Double: Stand Firm

High Elf:
LineElf
Normal: Block, Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Guard
One LineElf will want Kick. Not strictly Block before Dodge
Phoenix Warrior
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Sure Hands
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Dragon Warrior
Normal: Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Jump-Up, Dauntless
Lion Warrior
Normal: Dodge, Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Lion Warriors should look to develop with Shadowing & Pass Block. Leap is good too

Human:
LineMan
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
Catcher
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Catchers should look to Shadowing & Pass Block as well. Diving Catch has uses sometimes
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Dump-Off
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Mighty Blow
Double: Dodge

Norse:
LineMan
Normal: Tackle, Pro
Double: Guard
Catcher
Normal: Dodge, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Catchers, Shadowing & Pass Block as more options, possibly Diving Catch
Thrower
Normal: Sure Hands, Accurate, Safe Throw
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Piling-On
Double: Dodge

Orc:
LineMan
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Block, Dump-Off
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Mighty Blow
Double: Dodge
If you want try skills like Shadowing & Pass Block in your Orcs, use them on Blitzers
Black Orc
Normal: Block, Guard, Tackle
Double: Stand Firm

Skaven:
LineRat
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard, Foul Appearance
Gutter Runner
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: VLL, NOS
Look to getting 1 Turn Scorers, they are the purpose of playing Skaven. Shadowing and Pass Block Gutter Runners are useful too
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Dump-Off
Double: Big Hand, NOS
Blitzer
Normal: Guard, Tackle, Shadowing
Double: Claw, Dodge

Undead:
Zombie/Skeleton
Normal: Block, Tackle
Double: Guard
Ghoul
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Atleast one Ghoul will want SureHands as his first skill
Wight
Normal: Tackle, Strip Ball, Pro
Double: Guard, Dodge
Mummy
Normal: Block, Guard, Tackle
Double: Frenzy, Stand Firm

Wood Elf:
LineElf
Normal: Block, Dodge, Tackle, SideStep
Double: Guard
One LineElf will want Kick. Not strictly Block before Dodge
Thrower
Normal: Accurate, Safe Throw, Sure Hands
Double: Strong Arm, NOS
Catcher
Normal: Block, SideStep
Double: NOS, Jump-Up
Catchers, Pass Block and Shadowing are good. On +Ma develop a 1 Turn Scorer. Leap is another option
War Dancer
Normal: Tackle, SideStep, Pro
Double: Dauntless, NOS, Jump-Up
One of the War Dancers will want Strip Ball. Shadowing is also very good

---Korhil

[EDIT] typos, lot to proof read
[EDIT2] Left "Foul Appearance" off the Skaven list (!) opps.

grumbledook wrote:Yer the point was to collate this information. There are allready threads discussing a lot of skill vs skill and if all instances were added here this thread would get very long and be hard to navigate through.

Also there are times when you are playing a race you are unfamilia with and you might not get a response to a post right away, this will at least show you what skills are comman to that player type.

Ok, so Í can still ask questions regarding to skillchoices for rookies without being burned?

you can do what you want ;] (within reason)

grumbledook wrote:you can do what you want ;] (within reason)

Thanks...
And if I have to be ohnest (I can't spell that damn word), it's quite a good thread ( and it must have been taking long time to write to )

As a WE coach I can see that you are having trouble with the WD and cathcer, ok:
WD
normal: tackle or strip ball
double: guard(yes it is effective), mighty blow
Catcher:
normal: block, leap, side step, sprint
double: NoS

And pray for you get any kind of advance with these guys. That's the cool thing about WE; all advances are good.

I always try to develop a Ghoul with Sure hands, Sure Feet & Sprint. You dont even need a stat increase or double to get their, and he's perfect for dodging out of a Cage from 10 Squares out for a Touchdown, If by chance you can compliment it with block, then you can Blitz/Dodge out of the cage also.

Where are all the net teams ?

Just kidding lol, great job Grumble.

Yer, i just got to pull my finger out my arse and edit all the suggestions into the original post :p

This would make a good sticky post. Seems like this question comes up alot.