No flaming intended, Matt. Just trying to describe the perfectly valid differences in perspective of different coaches. It's up to Carnis whether he accepts mine. I won't attempt to draw his out any further.mattgslater wrote:Lay off the flame war already, Smeborg. We're finally getting back to topic. Now you're instigating.
Thanks, Wanchor. I have had similar feedback from other coaches.Wanchor wrote:Playing referee is condescending too.
I've finished in first place in my short-run tabletop league, using Nurgle, two seasons in a row now. Actually had a better win-loss record in the first season, when the team began skill-less. Nurgle is quite playable at low TV, just not in a boring clawpomb way.
You mean like playing Blood Bowl? Or claiming you have a device that allows you to write and send images to people around the world?Alu-Cinator wrote:Smeborg, it is certain that if we were in the sixteenth century, you would have been condemned to be burned at the stake for your ideas too subversive.
Sure I've won small leagues with vampires too, are they top notch based on that though? No, they are not. Coaching skill, format, use of inducements/league structures. Generally, the principle of he who cares most wins most applies to early nurgle just as any other team.Wanchor wrote:I've finished in first place in my short-run tabletop league, using Nurgle, two seasons in a row now. Actually had a better win-loss record in the first season, when the team began skill-less. Nurgle is quite playable at low TV, just not in a boring clawpomb way.
Not ignored in fumbbl, just on this thread.DiddleySquat wrote:- A hybrid style is tempting, but if you look at Carnis or Smeborg's team development ideas throughout the thread, you will see that actually the idea of either a pure bash or stymie style gains ground, and hybrid builds are abandoned. If you look at Carnis' teams and playing tactics (in FUMBBL), you'll see the same dedication and focus, just on a different strategy.
Is that original? I quite like it.Carnis wrote:he who cares most wins most
No it's a BSG 2004 quote. From one of the (very cool) lawyers about juridical process in the colonies, I think it's originally by Adama's father (a lawyer in the prequel, Caprica) in the storyline. Not sure where it is from originally, though. I doubt it's a BSG original either.mattgslater wrote:Is that original? I quite like it.Carnis wrote:he who cares most wins most
You're taking my comments out of context. I'm refuting Jimmy's trolling jabs, not saying that Nurgle is a top-notch team out of the gate.Carnis wrote:Sure I've won small leagues with vampires too, are they top notch based on that though? No, they are not. Coaching skill, format, use of inducements/league structures. Generally, the principle of he who cares most wins most applies to early nurgle just as any other team.Wanchor wrote:I've finished in first place in my short-run tabletop league, using Nurgle, two seasons in a row now. Actually had a better win-loss record in the first season, when the team began skill-less. Nurgle is quite playable at low TV, just not in a boring clawpomb way.
And early nurgle is very forgiving in a structured small league due to 4-5 regen and high AV + FA. It's still not a contender vs competent elves or any of the true frontloaders (chaos dwarf, dwarf, well coached norse, amazon, lizardmen to a lesser degree, wood elf, dark elf, pro elf to a lesser degree) though, but no team with 0 starting skills really is.
It was not obvious to me at all that your comment was directed at JimmyF. For the record, I agree with everything he said in his post, so I don't really see how you can dismiss them as trolling jabs.Wanchor wrote:You're taking my comments out of context. I'm refuting Jimmy's trolling jabs, not saying that Nurgle is a top-notch team out of the gate.
I would not consider 1xTentacles, 1xM-Blow, 5xD-Pres, 5xF-App, 1xHorns, 6xRegen as "0 starting skills." Sure, they are different skills to Block, Tackle, Dodge, S-Hands, Catch, Pass etc., but they are still useful skills in their own way (especially as a whole).Carnis wrote:Sure I've won small leagues with vampires too, are they top notch based on that though? No, they are not. Coaching skill, format, use of inducements/league structures. Generally, the principle of he who cares most wins most applies to early nurgle just as any other team.Wanchor wrote:I've finished in first place in my short-run tabletop league, using Nurgle, two seasons in a row now. Actually had a better win-loss record in the first season, when the team began skill-less. Nurgle is quite playable at low TV, just not in a boring clawpomb way.
And early nurgle is very forgiving in a structured small league due to 4-5 regen and high AV + FA. It's still not a contender vs competent elves or any of the true frontloaders (chaos dwarf, dwarf, well coached norse, amazon, lizardmen to a lesser degree, wood elf, dark elf, pro elf to a lesser degree) though, but no team with 0 starting skills really is.
Thanks, Alu-Cinator. I didn't intend it that way, but that seems to be the way it is playing out.Alu-Cinator wrote:Smeborg, it is certain that if we were in the sixteenth century, you would have been condemned to be burned at the stake for your ideas too subversive.
