Ogres on goblin teams

christer · Post by **christer** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:29 am

If you buy an ogre into a goblin team for double cost, do you list the ogre as 240k or 120k? In other words, does this affect rating?

-- Christer

Anthony_TBBF · Post by **Anthony_TBBF** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 1:42 pm

AFAIK a player always costs the same on the roster as you paid for him, I can't think of any examples where this is untrue.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:58 pm

You write him down as 120k on the roster and this will lower your team rating.

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:16 pm

Anthony_TBBF wrote:AFAIK a player always costs the same on the roster as you paid for him, I can't think of any examples where this is untrue.

If an Undead team raises the dead they get a zombie for free, but it goes on the sheet at the standard price of 30k. In Edition 3 the cards that gave you free or half price players had the same effect, you put down the list price.

So I think Zombie is right that you list the Ogre at 120k even though the Goblins had to pay double.

Drakeular · Post by **Drakeular** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:44 am

The question shouldn't even come up.

It is only Star Players that would cost Double to play on a Goblin Team except Trolls and Goblin Star Players, see LRB 1.3 page 18.

Halflings and Goblins must pay double the usual price as Star Players don’t
like to play with them! The notable exceptions to this are Treemen for Halflings and Trolls and Goblin Secret Weapons for Goblins.

Normal Big Guy Orges cost 120,000 gp for a Goblin Team.

You just saved yourself 120,000 gp for you Goblin Team, thats 3 Goblin reserves or 2 re-rolls.

Drakeular

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:45 am

No. Every non-goblin and non-troll player will cost double for a goblin team. The only reason only star players were included in the rules is that the concept of big guys didn't exist back then, but it's clear that the intent of the rule should carry over to regular big guys as well.

Dragoonkin · Post by **Dragoonkin** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 4:23 am

Don't ever use the phrase "the intent of the rule" around some people...

Drakeular · Post by **Drakeular** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 4:49 am

This question was answered in another thread some time ago, I've had a look but can't find it.

The rules I listed before from the LRB 1.3 page 18 is under the section of CREATING A BLOOD BOWL TEAM and then STAR PLAYERS.

There is nowhere that it mentions that Goblin Teams have to pay double for normal Big Guys, Not in the Big Guy area or in the Goblin Team list.

In the 3rd Edition Rules Death Zone under the Goblin Team is says:-

In addition, with the exception of Trolls (who are too stupid to know any befler), most Star Players wouldn't be seen dead playing for a Goblin team. Because of this fact, any Star Players that will play for Goblin teams cost double to hire unless they are a Troll or a Goblin.

In the Big Guy section it states clearly that Ogres will play for Goblin Teams but no memtion of an increase cost.

The only mention of a double cost for Goblin or Halflings teams for players is if they hire Star Players who aren't either Treemen Star Player for Halflings or Troll and Goblins with Secret Weapons Star Players for Goblins.

As Star Players have to be Freebooted now, this just means that the Star Player for Goblin or Halfling teams, not list above would cost their full Cost amount and not Half as is normal for Freebooting.

eg Morg ‘N’ Thorg would cost a Goblin 190,000 gp for one match and the other teams list that he would play for would only pay 85,000 gp.

This may change in a future review of the rules but for now Big Buys are not Star Players.

Drakeular

Drakeular · Post by **Drakeular** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:28 am

Found other Post from Goblin Coaches Ahoy.

Jabara Eris wrote:Wait a second here! Double the cost for ogres on a goblin team? I don't think so!

I just looked over the Living Rulebook Version 1.1, and here's what it says ...

In the section on Star Players (page 18) it says: "Halflings and Goblins must pay double the usual price as Star Players don’t like to play with them! The notable exceptions to this are Treemen for Halflings and Trolls for Goblins."

It's clear that the above rule applies to Star Players.

It does not, however, say that applies to ordinary players. And on that note ...

In the section on Big Guys (page 25) it says: "Therefore, Big Guys are now included in the game as ‘normal’ players. All of the rules that apply to other players apply to Big Guys also, except where specifically modified in the Big Guy rules that follow."

Note that the text goes on to differentiate between "normal" Big Guys and "Star Player" Big Guys: "Note that you can still use the Big Guy star players in games if you wish. However they must be used as freebooters for one game only, just like any other star player."

Therefore, Big Guys are not automatically Star Players. Although Star Players (except for trolls) charge double to play on a goblin team, an ogre that's a normal Big Guy (not a Star Player) would not charge double to play for a goblin team.

Goblins can get ogres for $120K. The rules on that seem pretty clear to me!

-- Eris

Any other comments?

Drakeular

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:38 am

Like i said, it was an oversight by the people who put together the LRB, but the intent of the rule is clear, and it's obvious that normal big guys are meant to cost double as well.

Cervidal · Post by **Cervidal** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:59 am

I'm not so sure about that, Z. There's not much point to making non-Star big guys pay double to join 'flings and Goblins because both get ready access to a Big Guy under the rules as you interpret them.

I think the intention behind the change is to prevent 'little guy' teams from loading up on freebooters in a tournament setting. It really isn't difficult to fill up a roster sheet for either team thanks to low player cost and their ability to focus the bash part of the game onto their big guys. It's very conceivable to me to see a Goblin team end a season with a near-full to full roster and have 100-200k sitting in the treasury to be spent on freebooters. Could you imagine a team with three Trolls, Morg n' Thorg, a few secret weapon players, and a full roster of Goblins? That'd be pretty brutal to coach against.

{Edit - idiot thing triple posted}

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:09 am

IIRC there was a post from Chet (on the BBRC) saying this was an oversight and gobbo/halfling teams had to pay double.

By the letter of the LRB you don't, but I'd suggest that you house rule it.

Ian

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue Sep 24, 2002 8:19 pm

Stick another one on the list for October review.

Da Scum · Post by **Da Scum** » Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:39 pm

As some would say, if it doesn't say it in print, it don't exist. But that's what I hate about the English language sometimes, lack of being specific unless we go into Legalise.

However in the TBBF I go with what the Commish says, and pay the Double Cost for the Big Guys (Ogres) for the Goblins. Besides that's a good point about saving the money and going freebooter happy. And when the Ogres kak...which one tends to do, it helps the TR by depleting my treasury VERY rapidly.

Though I would like to see this in print finally.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:50 am

Darkson wrote:Stick another one on the list for October review.

Already on there.

Galak

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