Vampire/Bloodlust queries

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:29 pm

obv this is the experimental (LRB6) bloodlust

yes you blitz/foul then bite

unless you are sent off for the foul, then your thrall is safe from being bitten, though you still lost the vamp off the pitch ;]

flash · Post by **flash** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:36 am

I Have a similar question about Failed OFAB, that happened in a game.

We're playing LRB5+experimental2008.

A Vamp failed his OFAB roll, then dodged out a TZ. He also failed his Dodge roll. So what now?

1. Do NOT Roll on AV & INJ, and put him directly in the dugout.
2. Roll and Resolve on AV & INJ. If he isnt hurted / KO, put him in the dugout anyway.

Actually we used the 2nd Solution.

Fat_Emrys · Post by **Fat_Emrys** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:34 am

You were correct to choose option 2. Causing a turnover doesn't mean he gets away with suffering from Blood Lust.

flash · Post by **flash** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:31 pm

Yes, that was our thought.

But I need a rule - sided answer here if possible.

khudzlin · Post by **khudzlin** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:41 pm

From the skill description:

Failure to bite a Thrall is a turnover and requires you to feed on a spectator – move the Vampire to the reserves box if he was still on the pitch. If he was holding the ball, it bounces from the square he occupied when he was removed and he will not score a touchdown if he was in the opposing end zone.

so you fully resolve his action (including armour/injury/cas rolls and maybe apo and regen), then, if he is still on the pitch, you move him to reserves and your turn ends

CoachScott · Post by **CoachScott** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:29 am

Sorry if this has sort of been answered, still confusing to me.

Using current experimental rules

If I declare a blitz with my Vamp, who then fails his blood lust, can I bite a thrall, then continue with my blitz, or do i have to blitz first then bit a thrall (or doesn't it matter?)

The wording states that 'at the end of the delared action' he must bite a thrall. Yet in the last line it says 'once the thrall has been bittten he may continue with his action'. So basically during a blitz do I have to bite a thrall before or after the blitz (or does it matter?)

Vampires must occasionally feed on the blood of the living. Immediately after declaring an Action with a Vampire, roll a d6: On a 2+ the Vampire can carry out the Action as normal. On a 1, however, the Vampire must feed on a Thrall team-mate or a spectator. The Vampire may continue with his declared Action or if he had declared a Block Action, he may take a Move Action instead. Either way, at the end of the declared Action, but before actually passing, handing off, or scoring, the vampire must feed. If he is standing adjacent to one or more Thrall team-mates (standing, prone or stunned), then choose one to bite and make an Injury roll on the Thrall treating any casualty roll as Badly Hurt. The injury will not cause a turnover unless the Thrall was holding the ball. Once the Vampire has bitten a Thrall he may complete his Action.

khudzlin · Post by **khudzlin** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:35 pm

here, "at the end of the declared action" means just before completing it and "he may complete his action" means he can now score a TD, pass or hand off the ball

on a blitz action, you bite after the block ("at the end of the action" is when you stop moving him)

CoachScott · Post by **CoachScott** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:04 am

khudzlin wrote:here, "at the end of the declared action" means just before completing it and "he may complete his action" means he can now score a TD, pass or hand off the ball

on a blitz action, you bite after the block ("at the end of the action" is when you stop moving him)

drat... been playing it the other (and I found more convenient) way. Thanks for the reply.

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:11 am

Not sure if this clarifies anything but:
You bite after everything the player does - except:
You bite before rolling for a pass, rolling for a hand-off or scoring.

gandresch · Post by **gandresch** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:55 pm

Hi,

You bite after everything the player does - except:
You bite before rolling for a pass, rolling for a hand-off or scoring.

That's right. And if i got that right, i can iadd some things:
- It's a turnover, if a Vampire is not able to bite a thrall. Therefor the vampire must be standing (rules) besides one or more thralls.
- The vampire falls over before the bite. If a turnover occurs before the bite, then it's a turnover as well. The vampire has to leave the pitch and can't take adavantage of the bite, which would happen after the turnover, which is not allowed (and takes a av-roll).
- A turnover occurs, while the vampire is standing beside a thrall (e.g. pick up fail). The vampire isn't allowed to use his option to bite a thrall, because he caused a turnover. So the vampire has to leave the pitch and the ball bounces.

If hope, that's it for now.
Greetz,
gan

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:24 pm

Hi Gandresh,
I'm not sure about that last one...
I've always thought you'd be able to bite after a standing turnover. After all, there are other things you can do after a turnover. Like spending a team reroll to catch a bounce.

Cheers
Martin

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:31 pm

yes you can fail a pick up and then bite a thrall

"If the Vampire finishes the move standing adjacent to one or more standing, Prone or Stunned Thralls from his own team, he attacks one of them"

there is nothing in the rules that says you don't get to bite cause you failed a pick up, it is a turnover but as they are standing there, they now have to bite, or go to reserves, either way it is a turnover

Wanchor · Post by **Wanchor** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:52 pm

gandresch wrote:- It's a turnover, if a Vampire is not able to bite a thrall. Therefor the vampire must be standing (rules) besides one or more thralls.

This reminds me of a scenario I thought of a while ago. A Vampire with Jump Up, starting prone and adjacent to a Thrall, chooses to take a Block Action and fails his Bloodlust roll. No big deal, the coach figures, since he'll be up next to a Thrall after he throws the block, but he fails the Agility check to get back on his feet. Turnover?

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:54 pm

Yes. Absolutely. Because he can't bite from prone.

Banelord · Post by **Banelord** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:47 pm

No, despite of the failed bloodlust it isn't a block it is a move (action) and therefor there is no jump up-test.