Break Tackle and POW!
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aryus1
Break Tackle and POW!
Since Break Tackle is the strength equivalent of Dodge, does it make sense that possession of the BT skill affects the block dice in the same way the Dodge skill does?
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Lucien Swift
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nope.
if you did, would you then not have to agree that dodge skill must let you replace your st with your ag when figuring blocks? same logic, other direction... but wait! that's just what you could do in 2e and it was one of the most screwed-up parts of that version...
break tackle has nothing at all to do with blocking, whereas dodge is useful for getting out of the way... bt is just for powering away from grabs and has no logical impact on getting a cross to the jaw...
beyond simple semantics, there are very particular mechanical reasons for each to do what it does...
dodge does have a two-fold effect. on the one hand it gives you a reroll on a dodge, and on the other it affects blocking dice... using this skill and the '6' result on the block dice rather than allowing the player to sub ag for st is a vital part of correcting the systematic shortcomings of 2e... this is the mechanic that gives agile players the ability to get out of the way without having the use of ag figure into blocks, thus rendering the str attribute less effective...
so, dodge was put into the blocking dice so that the quick could avoid becomming the dead, but to keep a comparrison of str as the core mechanic of blocking... all well and good...
...now, the reason that having BT influence block rolls is that bt is really only available to str access players, players who already have good st attributes and therefore are already on the top side of the blocking curve... additionally, these players normally do not have access to dodge on regular rolls.... and this is on purpose...
...the fact of the matter is that str is an overly-impactful factor in the game's rules... yes, a catcher can go get blodge on two normal skill rolls whili a BOB needs a regular and a doubles roll, _but_ that BOB will always get 2 or more dice to roll that 1-in-6 pow reult on the blodgy catcher, whereas the catcher is always at a roll-2-opponent-picks the other way, and i'll leave the exact percentages to the math guys, but the odds of a BOB beaning a blodgey str 2 catcher are vastly superior to a catcher crumping a blodgey BOB... or even an unskilled BOB for that matter...
...so, str has a disproportionate effect on the game as compared to other attributes (well, except maybe for av), so those players who are strong, and have access to strength-based skills, need no extra help...
...let that BOB use BT like dodge, and now you've got a probability breakdown in the essentials of the game...
...probably not doing a good job of explaining this, but suffice it to say that not only does it not work from a standpoint of what the bt skill describes, but from a standpoint of the core mechanics of the game...
if you did, would you then not have to agree that dodge skill must let you replace your st with your ag when figuring blocks? same logic, other direction... but wait! that's just what you could do in 2e and it was one of the most screwed-up parts of that version...
break tackle has nothing at all to do with blocking, whereas dodge is useful for getting out of the way... bt is just for powering away from grabs and has no logical impact on getting a cross to the jaw...
beyond simple semantics, there are very particular mechanical reasons for each to do what it does...
dodge does have a two-fold effect. on the one hand it gives you a reroll on a dodge, and on the other it affects blocking dice... using this skill and the '6' result on the block dice rather than allowing the player to sub ag for st is a vital part of correcting the systematic shortcomings of 2e... this is the mechanic that gives agile players the ability to get out of the way without having the use of ag figure into blocks, thus rendering the str attribute less effective...
so, dodge was put into the blocking dice so that the quick could avoid becomming the dead, but to keep a comparrison of str as the core mechanic of blocking... all well and good...
...now, the reason that having BT influence block rolls is that bt is really only available to str access players, players who already have good st attributes and therefore are already on the top side of the blocking curve... additionally, these players normally do not have access to dodge on regular rolls.... and this is on purpose...
...the fact of the matter is that str is an overly-impactful factor in the game's rules... yes, a catcher can go get blodge on two normal skill rolls whili a BOB needs a regular and a doubles roll, _but_ that BOB will always get 2 or more dice to roll that 1-in-6 pow reult on the blodgy catcher, whereas the catcher is always at a roll-2-opponent-picks the other way, and i'll leave the exact percentages to the math guys, but the odds of a BOB beaning a blodgey str 2 catcher are vastly superior to a catcher crumping a blodgey BOB... or even an unskilled BOB for that matter...
...so, str has a disproportionate effect on the game as compared to other attributes (well, except maybe for av), so those players who are strong, and have access to strength-based skills, need no extra help...
...let that BOB use BT like dodge, and now you've got a probability breakdown in the essentials of the game...
...probably not doing a good job of explaining this, but suffice it to say that not only does it not work from a standpoint of what the bt skill describes, but from a standpoint of the core mechanics of the game...
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I'm not quite sure what you mean, but break tackle won't affect any dice rolls with the block dices. The only skills which affect these is:
Block, Dodge and Stand Firm.
Break Tackle has no effect other than the player with it will dodge tacklezones with AG equal to his ST.
I hope this answers your question, but I'm not sure what you mean...
Block, Dodge and Stand Firm.
Break Tackle has no effect other than the player with it will dodge tacklezones with AG equal to his ST.
I hope this answers your question, but I'm not sure what you mean...
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