Froggy Conversion Sprues

axiom · Post by **axiom** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:26 pm

Love the helmets, arms, gear and feel of these, but I have to agree with Ikterus, the face shape is not my thing at all. They look a little to Jim Henson for my taste - mainly because of the really long upper lip.

If there is still time to address these, I think it would be worth it, and potentially a simple fix by moving the nostrils much closer to the mouth. As things stand, the faces put me off buying which is a shame as I've been waiting with keen interest.

Ikterus · Post by **Ikterus** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:40 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:Definitely were not going for a humorous look at all ... not even a little. So that was definitely not the intention.

If you look at the Slann from 2nd edition art ... they have that head shape and that is the basic shape we went for ... is it a perfect match ... no ... but it was a shape that I was very happy with for what the Slann should look like.

That said ... if after some time that look is not for you ... I understand that.

As for metal arms on a plastic body ... I'm sure it would work or I would not have paid to have them made. That said ... I'll let you know when I put my team together.

Galak

With humorous I mean that they are not made in the current GW style but in the old Blood Bowl style, i.e somewhat cartoony and fitting with the art you are refering to. So that's definetly a plus.

And in comparison to the RollJordan figs (which is inevitable) theese look more out-of-this-world-uber-ETs than humanoid frogs. Also a plus.

Where RJs figs are "gritty" and hard core theese are more easy going and maybe better in sync with the old Blood Bowl that we all love. Maybe a plus depending on which style you want.

It will come down to personal taste and I'm happy that you and RJ didn't go for the same look. Now we have two great alternatives and us BB:ers are the winners!

I do think that I will go for your look. Posable figs are definetly a plus. Plastic torsos and metal arms ARE however a nuisance. But it's easy to overcome. Pinning will however be necessery. I'm sure it wont be a big issue though.

Great job Impact!

Mephisto · Post by **Mephisto** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:23 pm

Great sculpts Tom. When do you think they will be available?

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:02 am

Mephisto wrote:Great sculpts Tom. When do you think they will be available?

Based on what I'm hearing from my caster ... probably by end of September. I know ... I'd like them out quicker as well but that is probably an honest expection of when they'll be done.

Axiom ... I'm sorry these are not your taste ... but honestly I cannot change them. I had to sign off on the head design 6 months ago with the sculptor. Sorry to hear they don't work for you.

Galak

Stout Youngblood · Post by **Stout Youngblood** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:33 am

I like them. The first time I saw the work-in-progress I was a little skeptical but after seeing these I may have to buy them for another Slann team (already have a converted Kroot slann team and will be buying the RollJordan team once Impact gets them).

jkarr · Post by **jkarr** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:53 am

Cant wait to get my hand on these. They look awesome and I already have a Roll Jordan Team

duttydave · Post by **duttydave** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:36 am

Ikterus wrote:What I worry about is gluing metal arms on plastic torsos. It require pinning and theese look like slender arms that will be ahrd to drill pins into...

Don't let that put you off though. I used to pin virtually everything and had problems with very small pieces.

I then read the advice on this Forum regarding mixing Superglue with PVA. Put an amount of Superglue on the plastic and the same amount of PVA on the metal piece. It dries fairly quickly with a strong bond.

Please see below thread:

What Kind of Glue?

Ikterus · Post by **Ikterus** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:29 am

duttydave wrote:
Ikterus wrote:What I worry about is gluing metal arms on plastic torsos. It require pinning and theese look like slender arms that will be ahrd to drill pins into...
Don't let that put you off though. I used to pin virtually everything and had problems with very small pieces.

I then read the advice on this Forum regarding mixing Superglue with PVA. Put an amount of Superglue on the plastic and the same amount of PVA on the metal piece. It dries fairly quickly with a strong bond.

Please see below thread:

What Kind of Glue?

Greaty tip. Never heard of it. Will try it out though!

Thanks.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:57 am

I'm waiting until I see some more pics, and maybe some painted versions, but as a first glance, I'm leaning more towards the RJ slann.

I do agree with the placement on the nostrils though - seem to be to high up the snout (frogs have snouts?). How easy would they be to convert (filling those and making new ones lower down) (and I mean a purchaser, not the sculptor)?

Ikterus · Post by **Ikterus** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:12 am

Darkson wrote:I'm waiting until I see some more pics, and maybe some painted versions, but as a first glance, I'm leaning more towards the RJ slann.

I do agree with the placement on the nostrils though - seem to be to high up the snout (frogs have snouts?). How easy would they be to convert (filling those and making new ones lower down) (and I mean a purchaser, not the sculptor)?

I must say that I like the nostrils. It makes them look amphipian. Laying in the water with only your eyes above the waterline makes high nostrils a neccesety.

Look at the nostrils on theese guys.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:53 am

They're reptiles, not amphians. Look at pics of frogs - their nostrils lay at the end or in the middle of the snout.

Ikterus · Post by **Ikterus** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:09 pm

Darkson wrote:They're reptiles, not amphians.

Nope. They're aliens.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:19 pm

2nd edition artwork for the Slann did have the nose holes up much closer to the eyes than a real frog as Darkson pictured. However I think each head is a bit different. Several of the heads are very close to the placement of the 2nd edition Slann pics ... some others have them closer to the eyes than that.

Again ... a person's taste is a person's taste and I won't argue with that ... just a statement here.

Tom

Blammaham · Post by **Blammaham** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:50 pm

I'm disappointed in these frankly. Too bad I had high hopes. For me the real problem is in the relationship between the corner of the mouth and the eyes. I think they are too far apart and cause The "Muppet" or "goofy" aspect of these. Galak, if you weren't going for cartoony then the mark has been missed. The dimensions and relationships of the facial elements are exactly what I'd use for a "goofy" look in a cartoon face. If you were using the 2nd ed. drawings as a guide its too bad because most of the artwork in that ed. is really poorly drawn from a purely technical view point, and would be hard from a sculting point I would have to guess. Looking at the Kroot feet as well they arn't what I'm looking for in the Slann as well and I would have to rework them as well. Just some honest hopefully constructive criticism here and at the end of the day only my opinion at that. All that being said I appreciate the effort on this for the community and hobby at large.S.

Ikterus · Post by **Ikterus** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:53 pm

Blammaham wrote:Looking at the Kroot feet as well they arn't what I'm looking for in the Slann as well and I would have to rework them as well.

You might want to check out the plastic Bloodletters. I think they would looke fine as a base for these Slann