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Norse wrote:everyone has been bombarded by so much scale creep in recent years that a mini on a true 28m scale is now considered small???
I've definitely noticed the trend. Started in other systems but has definitely become the trend with FF. Without question it's so the sculpter can exploite more detail and that's good however the game surface has not followed and it's unlikely it will. The pitch is getting crowded.

Unfortunate. I recently aquired some 2nd ed skaven and they are my new favorite models I own. They look absolutely tiny compared to to the new offereing today.

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Norse wrote:what's allegedly wrong with the scale of the Impact! Viking Runner?? Last I checked he was perfect for an ST3, AV7 player...

everyone has been bombarded by so much scale creep in recent years that a mini on a true 28m scale is now considered small??? :pissed:

thanks for the link to the legacy team, confirms my belief that no matter how hard everyone tries they always end up looking :puke:
The problem with a figure's scale is the rest of figures you put around, not the figure per se.

Look at this :

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My first approach to the Norse team was about using the Viking Runner, Reaper's sasquatch (third from the left) as troll, two of Reaper's Clay Golem (fourth from the left), along with the Heressy's barbarians as ... well....something :D, but it turned out to be impossible.

The point of using figures from different companies is that not all of them use the same scale, and that's a problem because the team result strange.

When I put them all together it was really strange because there wasn't an average figure that could serve as reference point. I was sure I was going to use Gaspez's Marauders as the basis (linemen and thrower), so I asked one of my friends to take a pic of one of them next to 2nd ed, human, and they seemed very alike in size and scale, so I used one of my 2nd ed. humans to make this "comparison table"

Heressy's barbarians are great figures, but they are damn big. I like big Big-Guys (like Gaspez's ogre), so Sasquatch, though I love that figure, is too small (the same happened to me with Greebo's Toad, which is great, but is tiny next to any other Big-Guy). Clay golems were fine as ulfs (they may seem short, but that's just the position, because his muscles are huge :o ) but Viking Runner, though it's a great figure, were too small next to all the other minis (even next to a 2nd ed. elf lineman, who are slimmer).

So that was the problem, not his scale, but the fact I couldn't fine 12 more figures in the same scale.

I may like bigger figures like Willy's Werewolves or Gaspez's Ogre and Mino, but I also understand that a "smaller" team is great if all the players share the same scale.

I won't enter in discussing what a "true" 28 mm scale is, because this scale has changed a lot in size and definition in the last 20 years, but I have Perry Miniatures as a good reference of miniature modelling, and they have been making 25mm figures for years (theirs is the LOTR range and they're 25mm too), so I think they know a thing or two about it, and the Viking Runner is the same size as their Japanes Range. There is even a Samurai Champion running in almost the same position who is a little bit taller.

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valentsigma wrote:
Norse wrote:what's allegedly wrong with the scale of the Impact! Viking Runner?? Last I checked he was perfect for an ST3, AV7 player...
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Heressy's barbarians are great figures, but they are damn big. I like big Big-Guys (like Gaspez's ogre), so Sasquatch, though I love that figure, is too small (the same happened to me with Greebo's Toad, which is great, but is tiny next to any other Big-Guy). Clay golems were fine as ulfs (they may seem short, but that's just the position, because his muscles are huge :o ) but Viking Runner, though it's a great figure, were too small next to all the other minis (even next to a 2nd ed. elf lineman, who are slimmer).
What elf lineman? Do you mean human? Maybe the problem is the position?
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When placed upright, it is more or less like the painted mini (and both have the legs flexed).
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I think if the Viking Runner was standing upright he would be fine - part of the issue is his pose which is much more dynamic than most other minis.. it makes him look like he is really playing football, but it also makes him look smaller..

he was principally designed with the official Norse team in mind, so he should be a good fit for the official models..

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Though in the pic there's a 2nd ed. human lineman, at home, I placed him next to a 2nd ed. elf lineman to check if the problem was in the armour, and it wasn't.

I know he's running forward and bent over, but if he were standing up, he'd still look small, because even though I know and see that he'd be as tall as the rest of GW minis, his head and hands are quite smaller, his arms are thinnier, his legs are slimmer....he seems like a boy instead of and adult athlete, and to me, he doesn't look like being St3 the same way a human or an elf are.

He clearly sports lightier armour, but, if you take a human his armour away, he'd still be bulkier than the viking. 2nd and 3rd ed elfs are Ar7 and they're quite bigger and more musculous than the viking.

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Norse wrote: he was principally designed with the official Norse team in mind, so he should be a good fit for the official models..
He also clearly the best norse model available. If only there were more to go with him :D

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Dust wrote: He also clearly the best norse model available. If only there were more to go with him :D
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