Poll: spps for crowd and fouling cas: USE THIS POLL!!

[wesleytj]

vote away!

[Dangerous Dave]

For crowd cas it should only be if you block and push your opponent into the crowd - just in case some feel it includes Kick Off results.


Dave

[Icedman]

Completely ambivalent towards shoving opponents into the crowd, but I can see reasons for

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 *Pretty difficult for player to set up situation
 *Could leave your own man in a position to get shoved out himself (esp. Frenzyers

and against

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 *No AV roll and no Apoth save
 *Is the player really doing anything that truly contributes to the CAS (a Push can get a Blodge player killed)

SPPs for fouling... well, read the 11-12 pages that initiated this poll. Quick summary: yes, yes, very much yes. I don't care whether the rules stay as they are, or DP is changed to "only ejected on 6+", or DP "acts like Guard for fouls", or some other reasonable idea, but I do believe that the risks of fouling do warrant a reward.

[Dave]

Dangerous Dave is my man (text wise)

dave

[Deathwing]

*Stolen shamelessly from Pariah*

No. Are you on crack?

[Zombie]

Never in a hundred years. No more every-team's-highest-SPP-player-is-the-dirty-player, no more fouling-on-the-last-turn-to-get-a-CAS. Just plain no.

[Grumbledook]

Yer a lot of new players coming back to blood bowl just foul on the last turn of each half, first half i don't say anything cause they could at elast remove one of my players. When they do it on the last turn of the match i ask them if they knew that there are no spp for fouling any more and they didn't know it had been removed. I've lost count of the number of players i informed about this and shows that its a problem.

[Icedman]

Yer a lot of new players coming back to blood bowl just foul on the last turn of each half, first half i don't say anything cause they could at least remove one of my players. When they do it on the last turn of the match i ask them if they knew that there are no spp for fouling any more and they didn't know it had been removed. I've lost count of the number of players i informed about this and shows that its a problem.

I'm still looking for a foul in the closing parts of the game; if it means one of your (hopefully better) players is a little the worse for wear next time we meet, where's the harm? Does that not imply a strategic element to the foul (SPPs or not)?

I'm not only looking to foul at the end of halfs though; I will foul if I see a legit advantage to it, and that advantage lessens if the ref's eye is on me (SPPs or not). The only time I've heard of fouling for SPPs sake is on the last turn of any given half, when scoring is not possible. This means two fouls per team per game (3 if you play OT), each foul resulting in a CAS only 15 times in every 36 attempts, and even that assumes you can break AV every time without using DP bonus to AV. Now, for some wierd reason the calculator on this uni computer won't work, so I can't spew probabilities, but to me that looks at about a 40-45% chance of CAS (assuming AV break without DP) happenning 2-3 times per team per game, which falls (if my prob's right) between 13-23% of getting a CAS for fouling's sake.

Now, what were the odds of 2D blocks vs AV 8 with various skills and combos? iirc they fell somewhere between 12-20% So, a similar percentile chance of success, with a similar chance of you losing a player (actually, if you're continually fouling without retaliation from your opponent, your chance of losing a player goes up considerably). But because we don't like to "play dirty", we won't let anyone advance for doing so.

[Mirascael]

Never in a hundred years. No more every-team's-highest-SPP-player-is-the-dirty-player, no more fouling-on-the-last-turn-to-get-a-CAS. Just plain no.

Agreed. 100%.

[MistWraith]

Spp's for fouling-never.

Spp's for pushing into the crowd-never.

Spp's for rolling a knockdown and then breaking armor and causing a casulty, that also happened to push you into the crowd-maybe.

We are testing it in our leauge that if you knock the player down (not just push) the player into the crowd, then you roll to break armor regularly. If you fail to break armor then no spp's, if you do break the armor then you get spp's. Roll for casualty as normal.

So far we have had 2 players get spp's from this. With over half of the seasons games played. It has not been a problem for us.

[DoubleSkulls]

No - except you ought to be able to make an Av roll for pushes into the crowd, if through you get SPPs.

[Zombie]

No - except you ought to be able to make an Av roll for pushes into the crowd, if through you get SPPs.

You mean "for knock downs into the crowd", right?

[Thadrin]

I have wanted to be able to roll for "Into crowd" knock downs for a while.
The BBRC rejected it flat out. God only knows why. Maybe they thought the idea advocated two cas rolls and take the worst one.

Otherwise, you'd have to be on strong medication to like them.

(Incidentally - a foul on a last turn of a league game is perfectly acceptable if there's a chance you'll meet the team again. In a tourney like the BB I'd consider it pointless.)

[grotemuis]

We didn't read the rules right and we've always done this when you've knocked someone down into the crowd. I think it's better also

[DoubleSkulls]

No - except you ought to be able to make an Av roll for pushes into the crowd, if through you get SPPs.

You mean "for knock downs into the crowd", right?

Yes I do.