Talk Fantasy Football

Im new to these forums but I have been playing BloodBowl ever since the new game (third ed) came out! And I must admit I LOVE the rules as they were. In my opinion the rules were amazing! Elf teams ran, leaped and dodged, blitzers blocked and dodged, undead teams shambled (but still got beat the daylights out of other teams), and all the others with their unique feels.
So, the question is, why oh why did the game designers in all their infinite wisdom decide to ruin the rules and radically alter the way you play the game?
For example, the new one skill use per player per team go. Now I know bloodbowl isnt designed to realisticly depict the way a game of US football is played, but it IS realistic to expect a guy to dodge once, dodge twice, dodge a third guy then score! Or dodge one guy then run up to another and manage to block him through a skill he has.
When you take a step back and look at what that has basicly done to all the teams is make them pretty much all the same.
Another example (Dodge and Dirty player): Just because an evil player uses his skill to dodge away from a opposing player doesn mean hes any less evil when he comes to making the foul he was running to.
And then theres the 3rd ed. skills vs the 4th ed. traits and skills. Now I do agree with some of the traits (like 'Take root' for treemen) but these should still be just 'special rules' for individuals. Some of the reasons for why some traits cant be 'learnt' are rubbish! Reread the 'Frenzy' reasons (if you have access to the new 4th ed.).
Give me 3rd edition anyday, where you can dodge, pickup the ball, run, sprint, pass, catch, dodge, run, dodge, hand off, dodge, run, sprint and score from one endzone to ther other IN TRUE STYLE!

The fourth edition rules have since been abandoned (quite a long time ago!) and been replaced by the Living Rulebook which is somewhat closer to 3rd edition... though much better IMHO.

Other than that... what on earth are you going on about?

In 3rd edition, you could only use the Dodge skill once in each player's action.

In 4th edition, you could use Dodge and Dirty Player in the same action.

Martyn

Ok...download, read, come back.
http://www.games-workshop.com/Warhammer ... bbok_a.htm

martynq wrote: In 4th edition, you could use Dodge and Dirty Player in the same action.

*Best Pantomime Voice..*

Oooooh no you couldn't!

Oops, dead right... stupid me... or rather... stupid 4th edition.

Martyn

Well in defence of 4th edition

The basic rules for buying/using Secret weapon were better IMHO

The LRB is much better than 4th ed. We never even bothered to use it.l Justkept on using 3rd.

LRB is better than 3ed, cept I don't like aging, the way it is, but agree with it's intention. I don't like losing the cards, cuz the handicap table is either useless, or devastating. And dull in any event. But as I understand, GW (or was it fanatic?) lost the printout file for the cards.. so. Make em anew goddammit.

And, also the way rookie teams have nothing to gain from playing higher TR teams, while the high TR team has lot's to gain. (should be the other way round)

Yes.

3rd edition was great - but I couldn't lose with Woodelves, no matter how hard I tried.
4th edition was, I think, bold experiment. A lot of it was wrong, some of it was right
LRB is pretty much bang on. Never seen a better balance between the teams. Stylish coast to coasts are still perfectly possible, you've just got to be good to do it now, rather than just, oooh, coach a woodelf team and roll dice

I switched from 2nd ed to LRB, skipping the rest. That tells everything (probably it tells nothing at all , but I agree on that LRB is the best version in BB history)

3rd ed was the best, LRB is OK, and 4th was garbage. 4th was a huge mistake, and really hurt the game. Alot of players around here quit, and didn't start up again.

4th was great, better than 3rd. And even if you don't agree with that, you've still got to respect how it put BB back on the map when it was falling into oblivion.

Agree on that zombie but LBR is top of my list!

4th Ed. was not bad, just diffrent. I do not see what all the fuss is over it.

3rd was broken, it degenerated into who could get the most fouls off with dirty players. Scoring was secondary for most teams.

LRB is the best so far (that I have played I missed 1st and 2nd). It needs a few tweakes to be perfect, but that is why it is still a work in progress.

Well, thanks to everyone whos replied so far! I must admit I havent read LRB yet but Im going to make it a priority.

I think it would be fair in saying that most people disliked the 4th ed. due to the unthought out rehash of skills and rules. I wouldnt go so far as one of you did, saying 4th ed. killed BB! I ran a tournament after they came out at GW Maidstone. We used 3rd ed. rules (Which I still think are the finest) and we got a very good turn out of teams. Everybody was happy to use 3rd ed.

One last point...Woodelves arent so unbeatable. You just need to pick the right club! hehehehehe

I disagree , but we already knew that didn't we?

We had a league start just as 4th came out, and it put a stop to it real quick. Half the people dropped out, the other half bitched about it. Around here it pushed BB into oblivion untill people started in on LRB. And about all I see 4th ed doing is bringing things like the BBRC into being...I'm still not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing. I think simply rereleasing it would have been better than the 4th ed debacle.

Zombie wrote:4th was great, better than 3rd. And even if you don't agree with that, you've still got to respect how it put BB back on the map when it was falling into oblivion.