NAF and PBeM

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:10 am

When the NAF's up and running will PBeM or Java games against other NAF members count towards the ratings, or only "face-to-face" tabletop games?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:15 am

Nope, certainly not javabowl, there are still too many bugs in it, which can change games. Also clicking on the wrong square and accidentally dodgeing with ag1 players ends your turns when its obvious you wouldn't have done that.

IMHO there is no way they could be.

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 2:41 am

If both players are will to risk NAF rating points, then they are allowed to do so.

There are no restrictions other than that. Note that when you a single game against another NAF coach, the amount of Coach Rating you risk is rather low.

John -

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:27 am

Thanks neo. I probably only get to 1 or 2 torneys a year, so be nice to still play for ranking points.

lawquoter · Post by **lawquoter** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:17 am

I've never been to a tourney, and hope to get to Indy this summer. Having PBeM potentially count would open an avenue to a lot of us.

DaImp · Post by **DaImp** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:23 pm

As I have only the very slimest chance of ever attending an official tourney myself (hey! isn't THE BLOOD BOWL being played today!!!!!!!) I would welcome the chance to earn NAF points via PBeM.

That is unless I host a NAF sanctioned tournament myself in the near future.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:43 pm

Well, you should get top marks, DaImp

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 1:23 am

I hate to be a grumpy gus but...

Doesn't it kinda favor the English coaches since most of the big tourneys happen in England and the rest of Europe? I mean, I may make it to The Blood Bowl once in my life but I'm sure Deathwing will be there everytime!
Yes there are tourneies in the Americas but it's a little different. I can't make it to Canada every other month in the summer. Going to Canada for me is probably like Deathwing going to Norway...

Anyway, gripe done.

tchatter · Post by **tchatter** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 1:51 am

I know there is a Blood Bowl being held in Baltimore... but it was sold out by the time I heard about it. And its only a 45 min. flight from here.

And I have a good friend that lives there as well. Might still go and see if I can sneak in...

However, Gen Con in Indy might be doable... IF I didn't have a newborn due to arrive in June/July...

Oh, well... maybe someday I will get to THE Blood Bowl...before I get too old to play.

Tim

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 11:30 am

Pariah wrote:I hate to be a grumpy gus but...

Doesn't it kinda favor the English coaches since most of the big tourneys happen in England and the rest of Europe? I mean, I may make it to The Blood Bowl once in my life but I'm sure Deathwing will be there everytime!
Yes there are tourneies in the Americas but it's a little different. I can't make it to Canada every other month in the summer. Going to Canada for me is probably like Deathwing going to Norway...

Anyway, gripe done.

Dunno what we can do about that mate. There's just a denser population over here. Having said that we do travel to play, it may only be an hour's flight from London to Amsterdam for example, but it's still passports, customs and all the other attendant crap that flying between countries entails. We went July and again this weekend to play.
This year in the US (that I know of so far) there's been Neo's Underworld Cup, FantiCon, there's GenCon coming up, a sold out tourney in Baltimore, plus the official 'Chaos Cup' at Gamesday Chicago. I know they're spread far and wide, but here ain't a lot that can be done about the US being so big.
Besides, you're only about as far from Chicago as I am from Nottingham (200 miles-ish?), right?
As for favouring NAF rankings wise, they go down as well as up...my Orc rating is below starting point after this weekend...anybody who submits a one-off game will be higher than me even if they lost, because of the K value. I reckon I dropped something around 8 points this weekend, you have to lose a lot of one-off games to drop that many...so it's a double edged sword.

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:31 pm

Well I was just bitching for bitching's sake but here's how it breaks down for me.

Question first: How much does it cost you to fly to Amsterdam? I tell you what if Anthony invited me to his house the last thing I'd do is book a flight! Yeesh! What are you, made of money? I don't want to call you ignorant but I don't think you realize just how big the US & Canada are. I don't need a passport to go to a TBBF tourney...well technically I do but nobody is going to see it if I drive. I would however have to drive my 1991 Mazda 626 with 100K+ miles on it for 11 hours just to get there! That's nearly 1300 miles round trip! (How wide is England?) By car it would cost me about $80 in gas. (Unless I bring a friend and cut in half.) As you can see the problem isn't money. The problem is 22 freakin hours on the road! I would need to go over a weekend mostly and that's nearly half of the 2 days just on the road! And the TBBF is relatively close! Any tournies on the coasts are out of the question! Now by air it would cost me about $150-$200 to go from Chicago to Toronto. (depending on how soon you book it and all that) That's not including the 3 hour drive to Chicago and storage of my car for 2 or 3 days. I can get a flight from the Q.C. airport to Chicago but you might as well add on another $50-75 for that.
So what I'm saying is not that it's impossible for me to go to these things but I'm not gonna be doing it more than once every couple of years if I'm lucky! I have family in other parts of the country that I like to visit too! That makes me wonder why someone like me would want to join the NAF. I have no shot at any sort of decent ranking just because I can't get to more than one tourny a year...okay wait aminute let me do it this way.

I guess my question is this;
Coach 'D' lives in GW's backyard, Coach 'P' lives in Antarctica. Coach D through no fault of his own is able to attend every tourny he wants because he is a rich Blood Bowl playing millionare playboy.

Coach P has enough money for the net connection to play it by email in his little shack.

Is Coach D going to have a much better NAF ranking simply because he can go to GW tounaments more often? IF so, then what is Coach P's motivation to join the NAF (outside of really cool dice)?

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:36 pm

I was initially doubtful of whether PbEmail should be allowed, but you put a convincing argument forward!

can't really argue with you

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:40 pm

Yeah, I'm not trying to sound whiney cuz I'm pumped about the NAF. I think it's a great idea. I just don't want to pay yearly membership dues to be ranked 876th.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:40 pm

Going to a NAF event or even lots doesn't give you a good ranking. The NAF isn't going to be for everybody, some people might not have any interest in going to a tournament, even if they could do.

Of course if there aren't any tournaments near you, there is always the option to get off your butt and try and motivate some support to get one local to you.

For the record I think that the weekend in amsterdam cost me £200 all in.

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:47 pm

yeah but how much of that was on travel, accomodation, BB and how much went on *ahem* tulips?