Are any of the big guys as good as the Ogre?

Sixpack595 · Post by **Sixpack595** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:47 am

He can make most agility rolls on a 4+. He has the best nega-trait. Good AV, S, and M. I take Minotaurs because I love the figs, but in a tournament setting, or if a replacement is needed for the playoffs, its Ogre all the way. My Ogre got more SPPs in 2 games than my Mino would in 5. If WA were fixed maybe there would be some parity, but as it stands WA ruins it for me. Why not just drop it, and make them boneheaded? Or even let them go wild on a 4+ unless a team mate is there to keep them focused on their real task ("Hey big fella, that guy on the other team was calling your mom a 2 bit barnyard@#$$%#@$^%"...Minotaur mauls unsuspecting halfling).

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:04 am

Rat Ogre is very good too IMHO

Fronko · Post by **Fronko** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:06 am

Ogre is number 1, wild animal sucks...

Take root, OFAB are somewhere in between. Still, Vampire rocks! Lots of TD, once he´s on pitch...

DaImp · Post by **DaImp** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:09 am

and Trolls suck the most. WA is not such a nasty trait IMO, but the Ogre is still the best big guy available.

actually come to think of it, the Treeman is also fairly useless maybe more so than the Troll.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:16 am

Here's what i think:

1. Ogre
2. Kroxigor
3. Troll
4. Treeman
5. Rat ogre
6. Minotaur

Wild animal does suck. Oh, and vampires aren't big guys.

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:09 pm

My big guys ranking :
1. Ogre
2. Ogre
3. Ogre

I just like ogres.

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:59 pm

My ranking would be:
1 kroxigor
2 Ogre
3 Rat Ogre
4Troll
5 Mino
6Tree

Fronko · Post by **Fronko** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:11 pm

To Longshot:

Why would you put the Kroxigor above the ogre?

To Everyone:

Why do you guys rate the treeman so lowly? I´m playing woodies and think about getting one soon. Is there a reason I shouldn´t?

Fronko

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:21 pm

Why would you not? He trades in a point of agility for point of movement and a very useful mutation. Agility isn't too useful for most big guys, as their main purpose is to bash other people. I suspect the fundamental difference in all these lists is going to be how people view Wild Animal.

1. Kroxigor
2. Ogre
3. Treeman
4. Troll
5. Rat Ogre
6. Minotaur

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:29 pm

Longshot prolly likes the move and the tail, both very nice against skaven/elves.
Most people dont like treemen due to a) move, b) standup roll, c) take root. My opinion is that the treeman should always be the last or next to last player purchased on a woodelf team, fling teams should always have max number from the get go or ogres.
My list would be
1) Ogre (minor bad racial, ttm)
2) Kroxigor (more like 1.5 than a 2 really)
3) Rat Ogre (only if used correctly, other wise switch 3&4)
4) Troll
5) Minotaur
6) Treeman (not needed for welfs, needed for flings if no ogre)

martynq · Post by **martynq** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:42 pm

The only good big guy is a dead big guy.

Martyn

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:00 pm

Well my mino is leading my Pact team in SPP's and he even missed a game. After 4 games he has 16 spp's. The ogre isn't even at half of that. For my money the Rat Ogre and the Minotaur are the best. The rocks once you get them Block and Break Tackle.

shaniepoo · Post by **shaniepoo** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:34 pm

I have to agree with Pariah, i think that the Minotaur is great! I played with an ogre for a few games and lost every game thanks to the big dumb sod

I do think that the rat ogre is a good choice though.

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:41 pm

Kroxigor is better than the Ogre, the Ogres extra AG makes very little difference to his game unless he gets a +1 which a Kroxi wouldn't want.

Ogre is more generally thought of as best though as he plays for so many teams not just one like the Kroxi.

Rat Ogre and Minotaur would IMO be very good if not for the WA which would put me off taking one completely.

The Troll is OK but a bit lacking IMO, he has rubbish stats compared to most other Big Guys and a worse Negatrait.

Treeman I could take or leave, on a WE team only really useful for soaking up the LOS blocks on defence. Used to be essential on a halfling team but will now sadly be replaced by Ogres.

BullBear · Post by **BullBear** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:49 pm

I just don't get why the Krox is being rated so highly....He's below ogres, rat ogres, and minos in my book.

IMO, the Rat Ogre is by far the best BG, with his AG3.

Also, why Bull Centaurs aren't considered BGs is a little baffling.