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Deathwing wrote:Opinions are fine, it's the manner in which westley chose to express his that I've got issues with.
...which i gotta say i was totally shocked by. I've seen plenty of people write a lot worse stuff about people on here and no response. people on here were saying they even agreed with what I was saying but not how I was saying it.

well ex-cyoooose me!

fine. i don't think andy or jj make a lot of sense a lot of the time. also i'm annoyed that andy made changes to the lrb without going thru the "proper channels".

i generally will not accept anything they produce as "official" until the bbrc has gone thru it with a fine-toothed comb and made whatever adjustments they see fit. and even then (as with anything) i'll make my own decision from there.

there...everyone happy? :P hope i haven't offended the thought police again :)

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If it's any consolation, I think that what you said was pretty tame. I don't know what everyone was upset about :-?

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Anthony_TBBF wrote:
I think that JJ and Andy do very much care about BB. I think that they are genuinely dedicated people, who do the best job they can.
I think that anyone who has actually talked to them about Blood Bowl will find that they are indeed very dedicated and interested in making Blood Bowl the best it can be. You may not agree with how they do things, fair enough. But I do hope that you spend some time with them and have a chat if you ever get the opportunity to talk to them in person at a con or whatever.
at no point did i intend to suggest otherwise. they may have the absolute best of intentions for BB, and be great guys to hang out at the pub with.

that doesn't mean i agree with the way they're handling bb. sure, great, new release of the game, thanks, new support, thanks.

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Hey, wesleytj! I agree with what you're saying AND how you're saying it. I don't know if it's any relief to you, but let it be said that i stand by your side on this one.

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Wes: Fine. There's a difference between what you posted above and your initial post that started all this. Of course there's been mistakes made, but there's a difference between (for example) 'screw GW's policy on blah' and 'screw Andy Hall', and how people are going to perceive that.

Pariah and sean: Take it off board if you're intending to continue please guys.

Now can we all just get back on topic please?

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As a COFAB vamp coach, the real problem I have is trusting my thralls to do anything except stand there to be bitten. I've score 1 TD with a thrall, and that was only because the vamp thety were occiupanying (spelling :roll: ) failed her Bloodthirst roll next to or near to the EZ. The rest of their SPP's have come from EXP or CAS. |Even my kicker hasn't scored a Field Goal yet.

Maybe once they have some skills or I have some RR I'll trust them to do something, but until then..... :roll:


And yes, I know until I try with them they won't get any better.

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Smeborg wrote: There's also a strong incentive to take a starting side with no rookie Vampires (you can start, for example, with 12 Hobgoblins, a Vampire Lord, 9FF and 4RR - an evil side).
Not a smart roster IMO. If the Lord dies (as in Dies, Dead, Kaput) then the team will disband. Noy much fun if you've spent a few games building up your thralls.

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Not much of an argument. If the Lord dies before you've collected 110k, you're better off restarting anyway!

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Zombie wrote:Not much of an argument. If the Lord dies before you've collected 110k, you're better off restarting anyway!
No, if the lord dies before you've saved the 110k you HAVE to restart.

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i for one can't imagine playing a vampire team after the original lord has died anyway. they'll never be nearly as good.

if he dies, retire the team and start over.

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Darkson wrote:
Zombie wrote:Not much of an argument. If the Lord dies before you've collected 110k, you're better off restarting anyway!
No, if the lord dies before you've saved the 110k you HAVE to restart.
I know, but what i'm saying (and i thought it was obvious enough) is that even if you have another vampire, if the lord dies before you've collected 110k, you're better off restarting anyway because your team is too badly damaged. So you can't use this as an argument against starting without a lower vampire. I agree that starting with only the vampire lords and 10 thralls is a bad idea, but certainly not for that reason.

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wesleytj wrote:i for one can't imagine playing a vampire team after the original lord has died anyway. they'll never be nearly as good.

if he dies, retire the team and start over.
Under the current experimental rules, a "lesser" Vamp who becomes Lord gains +1ST and +1AV, and loses COFAB, so they're the smae stats as the Lord.

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Zombie wrote:
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Zombie wrote:Not much of an argument. If the Lord dies before you've collected 110k, you're better off restarting anyway!
No, if the lord dies before you've saved the 110k you HAVE to restart.
I know, but what i'm saying (and i thought it was obvious enough) is that even if you have another vampire, if the lord dies before you've collected 110k, you're better off restarting anyway because your team is too badly damaged. So you can't use this as an argument against starting without a lower vampire. I agree that starting with only the vampire lords and 10 thralls is a bad idea, but certainly not for that reason.
So, if I understand you correctly, if your Lord died, thereby promoting your only "lesser" Vamp, and you didn't have 110k to buy a replacement "lesser", you'd retire the team? If that's what you meant, I agree, having a vamp team with no replacement is just asking for trouble.

I now have a Lord and 4 "lesser's" on my team, and I still don't feel totally secure (only needs a few bad dice)

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I was quoting from the revised experimental:

http://www.midgardbb.com/GWTeams/RevisedGWRosters.html

or even from th BB mag #4 one:

http://www.midgardbb.com/GWTeams/GWRosters.html



[Edit - there was a post between these two when I started this one]

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No, that's not what i'm saying. It has nothing to do with being able to replace the lord. It has to do with being set back too much by the loss of the lesser vamp, so you're better off restarting anyway.

What i'm saying is that whether you can replace the lord or have to disband is irrelevant if you're gonna retire the team anyway.

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