Big Guys and Piling On-Smell the Cheese

[DoubleSkulls]

This doesn't matter as you can't stack skills for Av or Injury rolls anyway.

[plasmoid]

Hi WesleyTJ
>I guess but then you've lost 4 players for MAYBE 4 or 5 cas max. The orcs would be better off just pounding you the
>old fashioned way. Maybe if all those DPs had block...

I have a hard time imagining a 1-skill-lineman doing much better than trading off for your opponents big guy, star player or good position player. Possibly giving them a permanent injury makes it even more tempting.

I do aknowledge that DP is a lot less powerful than it used to be.
I also agree that fouling should still be part of the game.
I just think that right now DP still makes things a bit too easy.

If your 4 lineman have DP, and his 4 linemen have block, then sooner or later it'll be your position players against his block linemen.

But I'm not out to kill DP alltogether.
I'm connected with 2 leagues - with 2 different solution:
1) DPs have a bad reputation. Add +1 to any IGMEOY roll against a DP.
2) DP gives +2/+1 rather than +2/+2

Both of these work fine. And in both leagues, dirty players are still powerful
Martin

[plasmoid]

Hi WesleyTJ, Milo and evryone else,

[I/Skummy suggested halving the ST bonus from piling on]

>But then the ONLY people who would ever take piling on would be big guys. Nobody else would waste a ST skill for >+1 or 2. That's not really what you're going for is it?

I hontestly think that you're wrong.
I considered the old piling on to be a more than decent skill on ST3 players.
The new version (against an AV8 victim) actually gets the attacker in a better situation 55% of the time! (because on a low roll he won't go prone for nothing, and on a high roll he can cause the cas without piling).
With this in mind, I think that the "new" piling on could be less effective and still be a good skill.

I play a dwarf team this season, with the old piling on.
I'd be more than happy to switch for the new piling on with "only" a +2 bonus, since that would leave me less prone to complete L-O-S malfunction

As for the ST2/ST1 guys who would only get +1:
OK, piling on may not be for them. Then again - they can not take mighty blow, so it _is_ their best option.

Finally - some (not you) - say that this would make claw a better skill.
And thats true.
Unless you're a big guy.
Also, since very few players get 2 doubles rolls, a smart coach might as well take fang on his doubles roll and then combine it with piling on, instead of using the doubles roll for claw.

Martin

[Podfrey]

Zanussi - The Applicance of Science.

Dump the Piling on and take a Washing Machine instead. From the top of a set of steel step ladders (or trussed up Goblin turnbuckle) the Flying Washing Machine Clothes Line of Death (TM) will ensure that NO-ONE is walking away.

HAVE SOME BLEEDING FUN FOR A CHANGE AND STOP WHINGING!!!!