Khorne Announcement from the NAF

[sann0638]

Real-world gaming is not on it's death bed.

Its death bed, if we're picking up on such things.

[SillySod]

Lets see....

Lycos - that's a shame.

some things

On the whole the bloodbowl community is very good at introducing and engaging with new players. However, you are not completely far from the truth. Some people increasingly act in a way that is insular rather than accommodating. Sometimes I catch myself acting in that way too and I'm unsure what to think about that.

I'm anything but a fundamentalist.

I chuckled

The media would call you a fundamentalist. The technical definition is... well, you are correct.

I would suggest that Bloodbowl has an aging demographic because its a game that requires you to...

Let me stop you right there. The game requires nothing that younger players cannot do. Nothing.

Bloodbowl's aging demographic is more or less a direct consequence of the marketing it receives from GW. The game is no longer pushed at teenagers even if it pushed at all. That results in fewer younger players actively seeking to play bloodbowl. In contrast, many older people remember playing in the past so are more likely to pick up the game if they come across it again. This has a bit of a domino effect. The older guys spread the news and tell their friends about it. The younger guys are fewer and thus don't spread it as far. Then you get situations where, as you say, different age groups have different values and thus are more inclined to spend time with some people than others. So a group of 30-40 year olds (the typical BB population) are less appealing for younger players to meet and interact with while also being very appealing for other 30-40 year olds.

There is probably a similar reason that you don't get too many female bloodbowl players. It isn't because they can't play.

[spubbbba]

I managed to watch half the youtube video from totalbiscuit, it was pretty good and gave a realistic impression of the Cyanide game. I remember seeing his vid for Space Marine and he came across as being a fan or Warhammer stuff in general. He did mention he was doing a league and that angryjoe was taking part.

Have we confirmed that the guy posting in the Cyanide is AngryJoe? There wasn’t much info in his posts so it could easily be someone with knowledge of the game who knew about the league already.

[EastCoast]

I managed to watch half the youtube video from totalbiscuit, it was pretty good and gave a realistic impression of the Cyanide game. I remember seeing his vid for Space Marine and he came across as being a fan or Warhammer stuff in general. He did mention he was doing a league and that angryjoe was taking part.

Have we confirmed that the guy posting in the Cyanide is AngryJoe? There wasn’t much info in his posts so it could easily be someone with knowledge of the game who knew about the league already.

I now believe it is, simply because he had mentioned that he and Totalbiscuit were looking at creating a league in one of his posts. Then Totalbiscuit mentioned it on the TGS podcast and posted the youtube video. If it isn't him, that is all one hell of a coincidence.

I also noticed that the new Cyanide twitter account had mentioned the Totalbiscuit youtube video, so it's pretty plausible that he and Angry Joe have been in contact with Cyanide and/or Focus, which is what the poster was saying as well.

[EastCoast]

Lets see....

some things

On the whole the bloodbowl community is very good at introducing and engaging with new players. However, you are not completely far from the truth. Some people increasingly act in a way that is insular rather than accommodating. Sometimes I catch myself acting in that way too and I'm unsure what to think about that.

Curses, you managed to sum that up in a hell of a lot fewer words than me, but yeah.

[VoodooMike]

Mike you are a professional Troll.

Looks like we're defining "troll" as "anyone who says things we don't like" again. I'll direct you to wikipedia's entry on the topic so you can better familiarize yourself with the term. A more accurate term would be social gadfly.

Every so often you come on here and show us how clever you are, run your undergraduate logic bombs out and flame us all.

I'm sensing a pattern! First you argue "the reason its unpopular is that our community is too cool for school" and then you say I flame "all of us", at each turn implying you are championing the community against unrighteous intruders and lesser (younger) heathens! You're not everybody any more than I'm everybody, and I'm taking direct issue with what you say and have been saying... I'm even nice enough to explain what my issue with those things are. Your responses, of course, are always about the person, and never about the statements or topic.

I suppose you don't have to argue your case when you represent the soul of the community and all

Its death bed, if we're picking up on such things.

You mean "It's 'its death bed', if we're picking up on such things", if we're picking up on such things. Yes, I'm aware that when I'm churning out messages I often use the 'ol grocer's apostrophe on that - my intention is to point out when someone is using the wrong word because I assume they just don't know they're doing it, rather than to poke fun at them or get into some sort of back and forth or decide who happens to be the superior english student. I don't expect anyone to be perfect, nor do I think forum postings or chat sends, should aspire to academic perfection, etc, etc...

The media would call you a fundamentalist. The technical definition is... well, you are correct.

Heh, the media would call me a whole lot of things, I imagine. I guess it comes down to what sort of fundamentals someone espouses!

Have we confirmed that the guy posting in the Cyanide is AngryJoe? There wasn’t much info in his posts so it could easily be someone with knowledge of the game who knew about the league already.

I was skeptical when I saw the original posting (I'm skeptical about most things initially), which is why I checked the location of the images that he posted... and they originate from his website - uploaded to wordpress the same day of the posting. I suppose that doesn't mean it's the guy himself - for all I know "Angry Joe" is a combination of people. It does heavily suggest that the posting was legitimate, though... at least legitimately him. I think he was getting excited about nothing, however.

[Heff]

...engage in ridiculous self-lionization which is, as it happens, just another way of gloating.

or are we extending the gloating to simply say that we are part of an inherently superior generation, and anyone younger is simply too stupid and immature to be as awesome as we were at their age, etc etc...

Your suggestion is more masturbation than serious consideration.

And yet I am the one here who is setting himself up as some sort of avatar for the community.

[Heff]

Mike you are a professional Troll.

Looks like we're defining "troll" as "anyone who says things we don't like" again. I'll direct you to wikipedia's entry on the topic so you can better familiarize yourself with the term. A more accurate term would be social gadfly.

Every so often you come on here and show us how clever you are, run your undergraduate logic bombs out and flame us all.

I'm sensing a pattern! First you argue "the reason its unpopular is that our community is too cool for school" and then you say I flame "all of us", at each turn implying you are championing the community against unrighteous intruders and lesser (younger) heathens! You're not everybody any more than I'm everybody, and I'm taking direct issue with what you say and have been saying... I'm even nice enough to explain what my issue with those things are. Your responses, of course, are always about the person, and never about the statements or topic.

I suppose you don't have to argue your case when you represent the soul of the community and all

By troll I mean that you come here every so often and quote mine peoples posts to make personal comments about them and then imply motives they quite possibly do not have, while sitting in your ivory tower casting down thunderbolts onto us mere mortals below. The fact that you give me a reference to check out only goes to prove my point, and no I have not checked it out I am having too much fun sitting down here masturbating thank you very much.

I too sense a pattern which I have called you on. I have no dog in this fight. People said we are aging as a group, I suggested why that might be. Suddenly I am Captain Ageist the Defender of the Soul of Bloodbowl! Mate if that's what you need me to be that's what I am.

[spubbbba]

I was skeptical when I saw the original posting (I'm skeptical about most things initially), which is why I checked the location of the images that he posted... and they originate from his website - uploaded to wordpress the same day of the posting. I suppose that doesn't mean it's the guy himself - for all I know "Angry Joe" is a combination of people. It does heavily suggest that the posting was legitimate, though... at least legitimately him. I think he was getting excited about nothing, however.

That is good news then, I like both Joe and totalbiscuit but don’t really play video/computer games much. Trying to explain Bloodbowl to an outsider is very difficult so the best introduction is by showing them a game. You either make it sound dull or something it’s not (mutant league football updated). Hopefully it may tempt a few people to check the game out.

The old cynic in me thought an announcement of the league had been made before the post and some scamp had taken that and their knowledge of the game to make those posts. It’s probably due to Joe’s presenting style being so energetic that I expected his posts to be similar, which is silly really as he’s sort of playing a character.

Hopefully he’ll get better feedback from his league, even if the BB2 rumour is nonsense.

[Darkson]

It's also an assumption to say that it's an ageing group because we're 2 years older than the average of a 2yo poll. That doesn't take into account new players etc from. the last time the poll was bumped.

But seeing as, before they dropped support completely, BB (and all the Specialist range) was promoted for the mature gamer, I'm not surprised the demographic here is older than say 40k.

[Colin]

OK, this is getting a bit too much. This is a thread on the Khorne announcement, keep on topic, we don't need to import a flame war over a supposed BB2, keep that on the official BB forums. This whole back and forth, (you said this....no I said this because you said that....no, no, I said THIS, learn to read better......ad nauseum) needs to stop, it's getting annoying. If you want to engage in that sort of thing, like I said, keep it on the BB forums, please!

[Darkson]

Also, journalists are twats. And as unedifying as those quotes you provide are, I've seen far worse. At least they didn't tell him to "f*ck off and die" or "go eat a bag of dicks". Did I mention that journalists are twats?

So? Here's what I'm getting at. I'm not saying journalists are twats, non-twats, and if you would like to see them all eat a bag of dicks, more power to you. My point is simply somebody from a mainstream gaming review site was interested in Blood Bowl. So my first thought wasn't "Oh man, this guy is so full of shit, I absolutely must sign up for the 'who can be the biggest dickhead on the forums to him' contest". It was literally, "Great if he and TB create a league and start producing youtube videos, then we are going to see an increase in players".

Do you really not see what I'm saying on this? Guys, c'mon, have a vision.

Wasn't my first thought either, seeing as I had no idea who he was (which I still don't, as I don't watch youtube reviews, nor use online review sites).
However, I did disagree with him pulling the "I'm a reporter" card when it was shown what he was talking was mistaken.

I'm just saying that there are twats on the internet who are foul mouthed, insensibly personal, direct beyond reason and alarmingly volatile. It shouldn't be a surprise that two of those unsavoury characters happen to be part of a community of several thousand registered blood bowl players, and nor does it make them representative of the whole.

Thanks Shteve0.

Perhaps not, but its still disappointing when they are sporting a moderator tag and/or links to the NAF. These are people I would expect to be stewards of the game, but to your point perhaps that isn't fair of me to put those kinds of expectations on them.

However, while I wear a mod tag, not sure where you get the link to the NAF from from either myself (not even a member at the moment) or the other individual.

And I fail to see what's wrong with my quote - I don't trust reporters anymore than I trust politicians, so saying "I'm a reporter" doesn't instill me with any confidence (especially when you've already been shown to be sprouting rubbish).

[EastCoast]

However, while I wear a mod tag, not sure where you get the link to the NAF from from either myself (not even a member at the moment) or the other individual.

I was using that as an example. So no, in that case neither of the posters had NAF links, but there are other instances. I didn't make that post over 1 particular incident, it was more or less a culmination of all the negativity that is put forth by this community towards well, everything. I seems to me that members of this community go out of their way to cut off their noses to spite their face. All in all, it seems remarkably short sighted to me.

Do I expect sunshine and candy in every post? Of course not, but at the same time I am often left to wonder, are you (plural) trying to drive people away from the game? Because, it sure does seem that way sometimes.

[Shteve0]

Lol! Sorry Darkson, I haven't seen the thread in question - I don't care enough about the hurt feelings of some loudmouth on another board to cross reference - so I was talking generally.

But, you are all of those things

[Jdbecks]

I like the roster and think it is interesting and fun, I feel cyanide was always going to have a tough one as it seems there is some animosity towards the pc version ( is that the correct word to use hehe ) The community were complaining saying its going to be OP, then the roster was released and people were saying this is not the killers khorne are! I think its ok.

What I don't understand in the statement is about it not being in fluff, yet to me its more fluffy than a bunch of space frogs? or am I not understanding something about slann?


what would happen in GW released an updated LRB/CRP and included khorne ?