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Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:28 am

You are welcome, Milo

- and thanks for your coding advices.

Grumbledook: I do not accuse anyone i our league for cheating, we are merry fellows playing for the fun of it. However it definately assures that no one may be tempted in that way. Besides, at the beginning of the new rules era, I sometimes found myself having a tedency to forget rolling for ageing untill realizing it much later - the old rules was too grown into my spine or something. Consider it a service for the coaches, and after you rolled for SPP a drop down menu with available skills/traits/statupgrades (available according the roll) will be presented to you - no more looking i tables on spreadsheets.

As for further sharing of the code, I will have to disappoint you. It is a unique agreement I made with Milo only (sorry guys). But I have some plans about making a highly customizeable version, that will be available for public use (but first there are still many features yet to be implented in the current version, before I start that project - not to mention the amount time I will need).

BTW Milo, have your email address changed? havent received any replys lately?

Red Orc · Post by **Red Orc** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:37 am

Hey, there is nothing wrong with Frontpage. I just think some people have an anti-Microsoft gene (which is perfectly acceptable). All the problems with it in earlier versions have been fixed. Frontpage is extremely easy to use. I never even cracked the instruction book and rarely have to use the Help button. Most everything on my site is thanks to Frontpage. I say most, because I also have Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver is extremely good too but here is how I compare the two.
Lets say you have a photo that all you want to do is crop it around the edges. Do you start up Adobe Photoshop and wait a long long time while your machine racks itself to death initiating a great but resource hog of a program with little windows everywhere? No, you just start up the dinky little program that came with your digital camera. Quick and easy. The same with Frontpage, quick and easy. Dreamweaver takes quite a while to boot up and has obnoxious lil windows scattered all over the place. The things it can do are great and the Help button can show you step by step animations on how to do something.
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Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 2:49 am

heh i am familia with dreamweaver still use textpad to do all my xhtml css etc

Post by **Dave** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 8:10 am

I would order straight from them ..

Heiper · Post by **Heiper** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 2:47 pm

Well Casper, you've got me convinced. So now I'll use some of the spare time I have working on php/MySQL site development. In the long run it should be well worth it

Red Orc, DW: MX has a new interface that you might like. It doesn't have all the windows flying around as the other verisions (you do have the option to have the old interface if you want too).

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:25 am

Well the ECBBL site is all PHP/MySQL and I'm quite happy to give anyone the latest version of the code if they want it. Email if you want a cut of the code. No support and no maintence though.

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 5:04 pm

Grumbledook wrote:heh i am familia with dreamweaver still use textpad to do all my xhtml css etc

you must just like extra work then.

I use dreamweaver in the "split screen" mode. That way if it's doing something screwy I can look in the code...but to me it's a LOT easier to point to a page on the menu and make it autolink, as opposed to ...
<a href="http://......>text</a>

I did it that way for years, but now that I know Dreamweaver pretty well it's just the lazy-man's approach.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 5:05 pm

nah my code is nice and clean and typing in links hardly takes much time up

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:42 pm

well I hard code in a text editor - every single tag. Using WYSIWYG programs are great when learning html (that's the way I learned it), but as soon as you get the hang of it and realizes alle the crappy code such programs often generate and what important code they omit or are not able to give you, you will probably convert to pure text coding.

ZanzerTem · Post by **ZanzerTem** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:30 pm

I gave up. Totally and completely. After about an hour of just trying to get a few simple things done, I realized that I don't have enough experience to dive into a big project like this.

Oh well.....I have college classes that will cover HTML, and once I get a basic understanding of it, I will catch on. It's breaking the barrier between "Grr I don't understand" and "Ah, I get it now!" that is the frustrating part.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:34 pm

Like i said a cheap book and you can teach yourself in 15 mins, to be honest there are loads of free tutorial webpages out on the net that you could learn from now.

Leaning to code rather than using a wysuwyg prog also means you know whats going on with the page at the ground level ;]

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:41 pm

Casper wrote:well I hard code in a text editor - every single tag. Using WYSIWYG programs are great when learning html (that's the way I learned it), but as soon as you get the hang of it and realizes alle the crappy code such programs often generate and what important code they omit or are not able to give you, you will probably convert to pure text coding.

Hehehehe I did it the exact opposite way. I learned the tags and hard coding first, and then moved on to the editors. Frontpage is king for making up random worthless code, dreamweaver is actually quite clean. And I can always go back in and clean it up afterwards. I had to do that with coding too anyway, with typos or forgetting an end tag somewhere. When you're making a table with 5 columns and 20 rows it's easy to miss one of those </td> tags.

In dreamweaver...you click on the "insert table" button, it asks you how many rows and columns you want, and BAMMO...done. I don't care what you guys say that's a LOT easier and faster...

and Imagemaps!!! I did an imagemap with code about 6 years ago and it took a few weeks. (partly cause I was learning the process, partly because it's just a lot of work). I did it in Dreamweaver last week, and did a better one in about a half hour, and it only took that long because it had about 20 places it had to link to.

I don't see myself ever going back to coding all the way, it's too much extra work and time for no good reason at all.

martynq · Post by **martynq** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:51 pm

If you've seen my previous rants on this sort of subject, you know what I will say

I code my HTML using Emacs - a real text editor, ideally suited for many purposes. I can produce nice compact code that is quick to load in and works properly... especially once validated at W3C!

Now if only Geocities would sort out their Javascript...

Martyn