The answer to this might well put me off playing BB..FOREVER

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Speaking from my (albeit limited) knowledge of probability:

remember that when figuring odds and such, things really should only start to hold true over a lot of dice rolls. So, let's say you play one game and you make 20 dodge rolls with a human team, needing 3+ on each one.

The odds for the game would say you'd fail around 6-7 of those. But failing more than half of them (11+) wouldn't be at all surprising. On the other hand, what if you have some crazy play where you need to make a long pass to someone in 2 tackle zones who then has to dodge and go for it twice. It's only 4 dice rolls, and though the odds may be against you, it works a lot, especially when it's your opponent doing it 8)


So, yeah, over a season, someone who works the probabilities carefully should do better, assuming everything else is equal. But as long as you pay attention to what your choices are and use common sense, like Zombie put it, you can do fine.


One other thing: people often put up stats on how likely someone with a certain set of skills is to get a casualty in a certain situation, blah blah blah. Often the differences are say an 87% chance to a 64% chance. That's really not that big a difference--you could probably take either option and not notice a big change.

So just relax and play the game, it's all good.

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Vermont?? My wife is from Vermont. I went to school there for 2 years, and I must say that I agree. Once you leave a place like that, where you played non stop, you tend to lose your 'edge'. (In FPS anyways.)

But back on topic, if you know the basic 'chances' the better off you'll be. You won't make that 6+ pickup roll as your first move.

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tchatterBut back on topic, if you know the basic 'chances' the better off you'll be. You won't make that 6+ pickup roll as your first move.
I just finished a long discussion with Pariah on probability, and Milo is very good at it as well. You and Penguin are right, you can really only count on probability in the long term. A 99% chance will not guarantee you will make it the next time, only that it will be made an overwhelming percent of the time.

BTW, I'm a Norwich University grad. Which school in VT did you go to?

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So, if probabilities and luck play such a big part in the game, just where is the fun in playing it over and over again? Surely, once you have your team and you know which plays you're going to try against your opponents, it's down to chance rather than skill? I play a certain way with my undead team (depending on which team I'm playing, clearly), and once you know what you're doing, it's hard to know how to improve, skillwise. I've picked up little things here and there from other people, but how do I get better now?

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Strategy is knowing how to "control" your luck.

Strategy is the decision to either effortlessly walk the ball in to the endzone for the game winning TD or to risk an OT loss because you have that 7 skill star player prone next to your dirty player and 4 assists. That's what fun in BB.

How do you get better? keep playing. Ever play a guitar? Once you learn 3 chords you can music and write songs but are you then a song writer?

Watch other people play. Watch your opponent. Experiment. Try new things and soon you'll find yourself, lying in bed making up plays in your head.

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Pariah wrote:Watch other people play. Watch your opponent. Experiment. Try new things and soon you'll find yourself, lying in bed making up plays in your head.
OK, this will put her off playing for sure. :D Not everyone lies awake in bed dreaming up new BB plays.

Yes there is alot of luck in the game, but you have to accept that, it's part of what makes the game fun.

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Ahhhh. I see. Good question. But that could be worked out with statistics as well. If you had a Deep Blue style BB computer, it could compute which is more likely to succeed and which will be more profitable, depending on standing in the league etc, so it should be possinble to work out exactly what you should do. I find it quite predictable to play, especially when you play the same people with the same teams all the time. If I played one of you boys, would I lose every time, even with a superior team? My theory says I should win every time, because what do you know that I don't, lets be honest? What makes you people better than me? Once you know all the strategic plays and stuff?

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niks_in_da_mix wrote:Ahhhh. I see. Good question. But that could be worked out with statistics as well. If you had a Deep Blue style BB computer, it could compute which is more likely to succeed and which will be more profitable, depending on standing in the league etc, so it should be possinble to work out exactly what you should do. I find it quite predictable to play, especially when you play the same people with the same teams all the time. If I played one of you boys, would I lose every time, even with a superior team? My theory says I should win every time, because what do you know that I don't, lets be honest? What makes you people better than me? Once you know all the strategic plays and stuff?

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knowing a set "strategy" isn't enough because the opponent will invariably react to that strategy in a number of ways. Plus random things like kickoff events, the starting position of the kicked ball, etc will affect your strategy regardless of what the other team does.

it's how your react and alter your basic strategy to the given situation, including all factors that My "computer" at least isn't big enough to account for all at once, that determines how good you are based on pure coaching skill...then the dice luck comes in on top of that...then there's knowing the best ways to build your team around the strategy as far as skill selection, what kinds of players to buy (and field in a given situation) and so on.

so the game is a lot more than just knowing statistics, otherwise you're right I would have quit playing it a long time ago. :)

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I fyou want to get better the best advice is to assume you will fail every roll of the dice. Somebody just said that on here recently and it was advice I gave to a rookie years ago who turned into quite a good coach.

Assume that everytime you roll the dice it will be bad. That will help you learn how to do damage control.

That said, don't be afraid to just f'n go for it if the game is on the line. Nuffle loves an amazing finish!

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No Nuffle loves to give it to you up the poopchute! :D

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Hmmnn. Well if he is allowing the miraculous play to succeed then I guess he is giving it to someone else up the poopchute. :lol:


Glass half full/empty I guess...but maybe it has to do with your sig? 8)

If you want back into Nuffle's graces you must take your favorite dice and hammer them to powder. Thn take the powder, rub it all over your hands and then go buy new dice. Your magic powder will direct you to dice that are blessed by Nuffle. :?:

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Why is that double spaced? huh :o

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OK, so who is the BEST coach on here? (Apart from valedictor of course - love you XX) Who should I listen to the mostest?

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No 1 on the NAF ranking ??

Sputnik ??

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(at least he is quite good with lizzies ..)

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