Nuts league commissioner?

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:52 pm

Dwarves should just be plain banned. Boring short arse little bastards.
Field the Ogre on his own.

Post by **Dave** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:00 am

I think there's a whole thread about ogre's on their own

I really like this solution Deathwing

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:51 am

Pariah, i agree with everything you said in there, except for the wood elves. But i find this rather curious:

Pariah wrote:and Chaos Dwarfs should get trolls only

Everytime i come in here saying that it makes more sense for chaos dwarves to buy trolls (they're less of a liability), somebody answers that they should rather buy a minotaur because it fits the fluff better. I find that trolls fit chaos dwarf fluff perfectly, as they can be viewed as slaves, but people on this forum don't seem to agree. But you're the first one i hear saying that chaos dwarves should not have minotaurs!

For the record, after my troll got -1ST from aging, i bought a minotaur to replace him (in hope he might get a mutation). I've only played one game with him so far, so we'll see how it goes.

MistWraith · Post by **MistWraith** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:52 am

Why do the other elves not need a big guy, and the wood elves do?

Dwarfes do not need a big guy. In fact no team needs them.

But, if you start taking away one teams big guys, you need to take them all away. Just play a no big guy league.

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:06 am

i say that because the average Av of High Elves and Dark Elves is 8. AG 4, ST 3 and AV 8 is a pretty powerful team. They don't need an ogre to compete with other big guy enabled teams.

Zombie, in all truth I think Chaos Dwarfs should have a "raise dead" abilty. I think they should call it "slavery" and say that since the spirits of the slaves are broken they all have the same stats. (Give them zombie stats or maybe skeletons) As for Minotaurs? They don't need them now that they get 2 Bull Centaurs. The troll should fill their big guy needs adequetely enough...but minos can be fun. Enjoy yours!

Basically I'm just tired of every team having an ogre. It's boring. Orcs definitely don't need them and they aren't in the orc WHFB list so why are they there? Humans, Amazons...and maybe Halflings should be the only ones with Ogres. Chaos ogres probably wouldn't bother me too much but personally I'd take a Mino on a Chaos team.

MistWraith · Post by **MistWraith** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:44 am

So the fact that Wood Elves movement is one higher is ignored?

You are then saying that the movment stat is worth less than the armor stat, which is not how I see it. All stats are of equal worth. All three elf teams have the same number of stat points. It is just that the wood elves get one less aromr and one more movment, making them the only elf team that can score in one turn. Wood elves are also the most powerfull elf team, currently. They get the same number of positional players as the others, and a big guy.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:58 am

the stats aren't of equal worth, it totally depends on the context of which they have the stats

what would a mummy rather have an extra +st or +ag

the fact you have to put 3 players on the line of scrimmage is where av is more important, movement doesn't help squat if someone is hitting you on their turn

MistWraith · Post by **MistWraith** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:10 am

Having a big guy does not stop this from happining. You still have to put 2 elves on the line. And, they will get splated, and the treeman will be dodged away from, usualy.

But, then on your turn, you movement give you the advantage. So temporary advantage to the side whos turn it is. Net gain zero.

No team needs big guys.

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:17 am

Well, Mistwrath, when you are talking about Big guys...no the +1 MA isn't realy important.

ST and AV is important.

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:31 pm

I would agree that Wood Elves don't need a treeman. As for the stats it is fairly common on BB players that the faster ones have a lower AV, compare Skaven to Humans for an example but it does depend on the team though.

I wouldn't swap another AV for MA on a Wood Elf team, would be very painful

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:48 am

I rarely put my Big Guy on the LoS when being hit, I usually put him one space behind, challenging the opponents LoS players to follow up on their blocks

Big Guys on the LoS are just begging to be blocked either by other Big Guys or by players with loads of assists, and then to be fouled after that.

(Right, Dave

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Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:19 am

Redfang wrote:I rarely put my Big Guy on the LoS when being hit, I usually put him one space behind, challenging the opponents LoS players to follow up on their blocks

That's brillant! I'll have to remember to try this out!

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:21 am

Wow, thanks, that must be the first brilliant thing I've ever thought of in my entire useless life

(Just a post to get emerging star status... Sorry)

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:22 am

Thats nothing new, often do it with my mummies

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:27 am

That's what I thought, but if somebody wants to call me brilliant, I won't complain