lets all work together II - Hobgoblins

[Thadrin]

I agree totally with Darkson and Trambi: I want a proper Hobgoblin team just like "The Hobgoblin team".

They should be sneaky, mean and thick as a US presidential candidate. (Sorry....slipping into politics there...feel free to substitute "British Prime minister" or whatever you so wish there... )

I still like my idea of the Blitzers having dirty player rather than the more usual Block...on the basis that they're the guys who are first to dart in and stick the boot in.

[Trambi]

I like your idea of hobgoblin blitzer but if such hobgoblin players exist, then CD will have forced them to play in their teams, instead only playing in the hobgoblin team.
I prefer a team where the best hobgoblin players are the classic hobgoblins. Except if they are better than CDblockers. CD could be jealous and don't use them (or these players never survive a training), cos CD want to be the stars of CD teams ( ).

[Ghost of Pariah]

Not so fast Trambi! The hobgoblins on the CD team started out as slaves! They aren't 'free-range' hobs that the rest of the world has. A slave's life has probably domesticated them a little.

Pardon me but I"m going to take the opportunity to promote, once again, my idea that Chaos Dwarf teams should have the "Raise Dead" ability just renamed to "Enslavement" They can capture and "dead" player and turn him into a slave (zombi stats) once per match!

Okay back to the hobs. I like the idea of hobgoblin blitzers with DP. great idea!

[plasmoid]

Hi Pariah and all,

>WoW! Can't say I'm ok with that! Your prices are a liitle off.
>The cunnin' git should be around 90K or 100K.
Why? Cunnin git has 1 skill. Clevva has to, and was priced at 90K.

OK, I work from the assumption that a 8337 player is 60K (skaven liner +10).
I also charge around 15K for each skill (10 for the worst, 20K for the best). I know that Jervis' infamous formula charged 20K per skill, but the official players that actually pay this are very few and far between.

>This player has nearly a no fail skill and decent ST and AG WITH the abilty to get Block and Dodge!
I wouldn't charge anything for access to block and dodge.
If the players had either block or dodge from the start, then maybe.
But using 2 skill slots to get block and dodge isn't that special for a position player.
Heck - all 3 elf skills get that on everybody - even the linemen - for free.

>80K is too low! Also it's too similar to the Clevva Git. Try this...
OK, I do like your version of the cunnin git. Also removing sure hands would make them slightly less reliable, and that also sounds very sensible to me

I like the sneaky gits to stay the way they were (step + dodge), because that will make them nasty dagger players, and it emulates their warhammer ability to get behind their opponent.
I mean - they are 'back'stabbers
(At 90K - they'd be ghouls paying 20K for sidestep - OK, and definately not underpriced).

With the black orcs, that would be:
0-12 40K hobgoblins 6337 - ; G
0-4 90K Cunnin' gits 8337 shadowing, strip ball; G, AG
0-2 90K Sneaky gits 7337 dodge, sidestep; G, AG
0-2 80K Black orcs 4429 - ; G, ST
70K Rerolls.

The black orcs could also be replaced with hobgoblins with dirty player skill, but I do prefer putting a little strength in the team, and I don't really like dirty player skill that much.

Skummy said:
>This sounds like a very fun team to play. Giving a 3 strength, 8 movement player Shadowing and agility access is just >begging for diving tackle/sidestep abuse, isn't it?
Hi Skummy - thanks. It was certainly well recieved by coaches here.
As for diving tackle, sidestep abuse - I don't think that it is particularly abusive. If it was, the skill should be fixed.
IMO, you would need block and dodge to really pull it off, and a 4 skill combo should be useful

Pariah said:
>This team isn't going to be an underdog by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm actually not looking for an underdog.
I'm looking for something "not in the top 5", and I think that the team fits the bill.
Real underdogs never get any on-pitch-action, so I prefer a team that will get played.

>If you want a hobgoblin team that is a little sub par then I would suggest...
[snip]
I don't think that providing the team with PA skills will weaken it.
Also, the trolls are (IMO) better than black orcs - (and would be at least as disruptive to team practice).
I think that 2 trolls is intruding a bit on goblin territory.

But, as stated, I like your cunnin' git, and I'd be willing to tweak the prices.
Regards
Martin

[Trambi]

Ok keep it simple !
0-6 Stupid hogoblins 6 3 3 7 Bonehead 30k
0-6 Hobgoblins (classic)
0-4 Goblins (classic)
0-2 Hobgoblins blitzers 6 3 3 7 Dirty player 50k
0-1 Troll (classic)

[Stu]

I haven't played Warhammer in years, but don't the other goblinoid races all detest Hobgoblins? I can't see any of them wanting to be in the same team as a Hobgoblin.

[Trambi]

Ok so throw the goblins

[Gorbit]

I have taken a Hobgoblin team ( Creepland Browns) trough 34 matches.
It was 15 ordinary Hobgobs with Hobgob Stupidity( Roll d6, on 1 you miss 1st drive) rerolls 50.000,-. It worked fine for me. Either them lads won by lots or got butchered beyond believe and lost by lots.

My 16th player was a rookie giant.

he had 6 8 1 10, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, Break tackle, Stand Firm, Long Legs.Negative traits: Drunk as a Skunk(Same as Really Stupid), Off for a Beer( Off for a Bite). Upkeep:10k after every match , to keep the bastard alcoholized. Cost: 180.000.
I used a converted marauder giant.
He took up 4 squares, and when he fell over, I rolled a d12 to see wich square he hit. If a playerer was on that square, or the 8 squares surrounding it, he needed to roll an unmodified dodge roll to see if he could get to a free square. If not, roll on injury.
By that time, we played with double up for SPP for big guys. he needed twice the amount. I think the rules was adopted from a journal with a starplayer Giant.
It was truely hilarious to play that team.I won my first match 4-0 against skavens. It was an experienced coach, but nobody had told my boys that they couldnt score. Or for that sake make 3 interceptions....
Gorbit

[Trambi]

I had better a troll than a rookie giant

[Darkson]

Ok so throw the goblins

How, which player have you given TTM to?

[Trambi]

I have never heard legends about flying players in hobgobbo teams.