BB2 Full listof changes to crp

[Jimmy Fantastic]

It's a slight problem but not major.

[lunchmoney]

Using money from treasury for inducements is the bank rule.

Using money from the treasury for inducements is in the CRP. It's part of the Pre-Match Sequence on page 28

2. Transfer Gold from Treasury to Petty Cash
Both teams at this point may transfer gold pieces from their team
treasury into petty cash. Petty cash may be used during the
current match to purchase inducements and adds directly to the
team value of the team for this match. The team with the highest
team value must declare how much gold he is transferring into
petty cash first.

[Jimmy Fantastic]

But BB2 are using the "wonderful" bank rule that Jervis was so "wrong" to veto.

[plasmoid]

Jimmy said:

Using money from treasury for inducements is the bank rule.

Depends what you mean.
Old Bank (before Petty Cash rule) allowed you to use any Cash you had already counted towards TV for inducements. So, if you had a 120TV team and 50K available, you'd be at 125TV already.

The latest version combines the existing Petty Cash rule with Bank:
You can tap into treasury for inducements, but that adds to TV (reducing the ammount of 'free/fake' Cash you'd be getting).
Bank rule just Means that any Cash in your treasury above 150K has to be added to Petty Cash (but not neccessarily spent) adding to TV.

In essence both versions do the same thing.
Is either of those how it Works in BB2?
Cheers
Martin

[Jimmy Fantastic]

When you say "latest bank rule" do you mean your bank rule?
Galak has only ever mentioned one bank rule to my knowledge. The one that he proposed and JJ vetoed.

[garion]

It's the later Martin. But low tv has to pick inducements first.

[Shteve0]

Neither of those things (or anything to do with bank) is what Gaixo said though - ie using treasury to top up inducements. If it counts to TV it wouldn't do that, it would contribute to your inducements, not add to it.

[garion]

Neither of those things (or anything to do with bank) is what Gaixo said though - ie using treasury to top up inducements. If it counts to TV it wouldn't do that, it would contribute to your inducements, not add to it.

To clarify- you have a bank , after you obtain 150k any more money after that 150k counts towards tv, so using this to top up inducement money doesn't effect tv. However if you take money out your bank and add it to your cash this will increase your tv

[Jimmy Fantastic]

That, and the fact that the journeymen are being added to the team AFTER TV matching has done its job, are helping make this one giant f*ckball.

That was the case in BB:CE though so you couldn't really expect them to get it right now heh.

[Gaixo]

Oh, I didn't know that's how the Bank rule works. All I know is that someone was 80k below me and spent 20k to get an apothecary. No idea if they were above the Bank cap.


Pass Block definitely seems to be out. Hopefully you can buy it as DLC.

[garion]

Oh, I didn't know that's how the Bank rule works. All I know is that someone was 80k below me and spent 20k to get an apothecary. No idea if they were above the Bank cap.


Pass Block definitely seems to be out. Hopefully you can buy it as DLC.

Seriously...... Pay for a diving catch dlc that's mental! Just play the proper version on tt or fumbbl.

[Shteve0]

Neither of those things (or anything to do with bank) is what Gaixo said though - ie using treasury to top up inducements. If it counts to TV it wouldn't do that, it would contribute to your inducements, not add to it.

To clarify- you have a bank , after you obtain 150k any more money after that 150k counts towards tv, so using this to top up inducement money doesn't effect tv. However if you take money out your bank and add it to your cash this will increase your tv

I'm not sure we're on the same page.

In CRP you decide how much money to add from your treasury towards purchases before TV is calculated. What you are describing is an add from treasury that occurs after TV is calculated and inducements are allocated, so it represents an additional change to the introduction of a bank rule, not an incidental result. If you add before TV any inducements are calculated, then it works in the same way as CRP (ie can't be used to increase inducements).

So either I'm misunderstanding the implementation (and you can't use treasury to add to inducements) or I'm not and what you're telling me is the same thing is actually very different (ie the treasury add has been moved to after TV calc and inducement allocation). It can't be both.

[Gaixo]

Oh, I didn't know that's how the Bank rule works. All I know is that someone was 80k below me and spent 20k to get an apothecary. No idea if they were above the Bank cap.


Pass Block definitely seems to be out. Hopefully you can buy it as DLC.

Seriously...... Pay for a diving catch dlc that's mental! Just play the proper version on tt or fumbbl.

That was a joke! I'm pretty sure they just eliminated it because it was unpopular and not worth the time to program.

[Jimmy Fantastic]

Bank is different to CRP. Here is an example to explain the 80 + 20 thing as well as the importance of higher tv deciding inducements first.

Jimmy has a team that is worth 1240. He has 150k in bank and 70k in treasury. His TV for the game is 1310.
Garion has a team worth 1190. He has 150k in the bank and 200k in treasury. His TV for the game is 1390.

Garion should decide inducements first. He can buy a Wizard or something if he wants (up to 200k) but if he does then his treasury is reduced by the corresponding amount. His TV is 1390 no matter how much he spends. He thinks Jimmy is a scrub so doesn't spend any money.

Jimmy's TV is 1310 so he gets 80k of inducement cash. He doesn't get to keep any of this and can supplement it with the 70k in his treasury but if he does he loses the amount he adds. He decides to use 20k to be able to buy an apothecary.

Now in BB2 (because they wrongly make the lower TV choose inducements first) this could happen : Jimmy is scared so he uses all of his 70k treasury and his 80k inducements to buy a Wizard.
Garion was going to save his 200k but after Jimmy bought a Wiz he decides to use 150k treasury to purchase a Wiz.

It's not gonna happen too much as usually people will burn their money in treasury before looking for a game in MM.

[Shteve0]

My point stands though - in CRP you can't add from treasury after seeing your opponents inducements. That's a change unrelated to bank. Treasury add comes before TV calc, so a correctly implemented bank rule would kick in after the treasury add, not before.