White Dwarf & Citadel Journal Articles

[spubbbba]

There are lists of all the official GW models released, I think Traveller’s site has that and someone on warseer did it too.

As to the articles in White Dwarf they are pretty lacking tactics wise and only really apply to 3rd edition. I had a look through an old journal a while back and some of the generic defensive formation they recommended were awful. And those were from more recent journals.

The stuff in the BB mags is a pretty good read as is Fanatic magazine, but if you don’t play the other specialist games then it is a bit of a waste since you’ll only get 1 article usually.

[Harbinger8]

Maybe I am tired after being up all night and on edge from the fact my 13yo stormed out of a local diner last night and accidentally broke a glass door that is going to cost us well over $300 to replace, but I am just a bit confused by spubbbba's posting and its tone.

I'm sorry, but why did you post on this thread spubbbba?
I am simply looking for a particular list and are you telling me I am stupid for looking for it?
Or is it just plain ignorant you are calling me?
From what I get from nearly all of what you posted, you seem to be telling me that I am both.
Maybe I am just tired and on edge, but "help" like your posting I really do not need.

Is this everyone's point of view about the list of White Dwarf BB articles I am trying to secure?
Or is spubbbba just being an extra "helpful" person?

Yes, I am just a bit miffed right now.
All I asked was if there was such a list out there and I get "basted" by someone I do not know from Adam.
Did I offend him by asking for such?
Have I offended others as well by asking for this information?
If so, I am sorry, but I still would like this information without having to have to buy every White Dwarf since #220 to find out.
May I please have y'all's help doing this?

I am sorry {a bit} for my tone, but I have had a VERY hard last 14 hours and then I get spubbbba's posting.
It was quite enough!

Am I asking for something I should not according to folks here?

[Harbinger8]

I have been doing some serious searching on the WEB.
Did GW give out a bunch of C&D orders to WEB site managers/owners about a year ago?

I brought up from data storage a bookmark file I was using late in 2011 and early last year I believe.
Found the bookmark for GameHobby.Net.
I used this site to go through a wonderful White Dwarf index that gave me the information I needed to make White Dwarf purchases on eBay of WDs that had articles about Mordheim and its figures which I then used that information for Warhammer Quest games
(yes, really, I do not play any 21st Century editions of any GW game - only W40K, 2nd Ed.; WFB, 5th Ed., Blood Bowl, 3rd. Ed. Rev/Mod; Talisman, 3rd Ed.; Warhammer Quest, Only Ed.).
Using GameHobby.Net's WD index even resulted in my purchasing of some Warhammer Fantasy Battle & Mordheim figures from GW-US that I could use in Warhammer Quest.

GameHobby.Net's site was wonderful and made money for GW-US, at least in my case.
Did GW shut them down?
If they did, I would not be surprised.

[spubbbba]

Well your initial post was a little vague so I was trying to find out what you wanted these articles for. I’d hate to recommend something that was useless to you or warn you off something you may enjoy.

Are you wanting to have a physical collection of every publication GW has put out after WD220 and issue 25 of the journal? Or are you just wanting to read them and hoping they are available online? GW’s dropped most of their support for BB so as you’ve discovered stuff that used to be online has moved or been taken down.
Buying every journal, white dwarf, BB mag and fanatic magazine that has BB related stuff in it would be quite a task and not cheap.

If you wanted them for tactical advice then some would be little use if you play with the current ruleset since the game has changed so much. Pure tactics articles may not be what you are after if you only want to read fluff to add some flavour to the bland crp document GW have on their site nowadays. But some articles have both interesting background and tactical suggestions.

There’s also a lot of “unofficial” fluff, rules, tactics and painting guides online that we might be able to direct you to if they are of interest.

[Harbinger8]

Spubbbba, you scrabble poorly.
Contrition is usually required in such situations and ya ain't showin' any Spubbbba!

Spubbbba, I simply want what I asked for originally.
I placed no parameters beyond the simple basic existence of the said articles and where they were located Spubbbba.

...
If you wanted them for tactical advice then some would be little use if you play with the current ruleset since the game has changed so much. Pure tactics articles may not be what you are after if you only want to read fluff to add some flavour to the bland crp document GW have on their site nowadays. But some articles have both interesting background and tactical suggestions.
...

<Bold emphasis added to show my following point>
This has to be the biggest insult yet Spubbbba.
It shows that you do not even bother to read what I actually post.
Since you did not bother to comprehend the posting I did before you last posted Spubbbba, I DO NOT play CRaP of any version, LRB of any version and do not play the full game after 3rd Ed.
Do you hear me now Spubbbba!
I hope I do not need to make it giant font to get you to understand finally Spubbbba.
<take deep breath, exhale, and compose myself>

Spubbbba, I have played Football (Soccer), Football (American rules) and rugby.
Do you really think I was asking for tactical advice in my original request?
Especially Spubbbba when I never specified any particular type of BB article?

On top of all that real-world athletic experience Spubbbba, I worked for GW-US in all of the work leading up to the re-release of Blood Bowl at the near end of March '98; the 30th of March, 1998 if you actually need specifics.
I know the game very well; probably even better than you!
That is I know Third(3rd) Edition better than most.
I have now read the rules for Fourth, what I believe to be Sixth and the current CRaP edition that is if the 2010 copyright is the current; I should actually use "studied" rather than "read".
I stay with Third(3rd) Edition because I like the feel and it was the edition that I was at the North American meeting with US & Canadian staff and Outriders where Jervis promised "Cross His Heart" (and actually did so with his fingers) to only tweak and the add to, but not change the BB rules; this was resoundingly cheered by the persons present.
Well, in the end evidently, he caved to pressure from the way too many, what we called at the time thanks to Bruce Campbell, "crybaby Loser coaches" out there and Jervis broke his promise with what I have read in the versions that have come out including and since BB Magazine 1 (aka Fourth Edition).
Much in BB has changed so I stay with what I like.
I hope that is not any skin off of anyone's nose here.

Actually Spubbbba, do you know how or why BB even came back out of the "Abyss of GW Past" in 1998 and still exists today?
You can thank your lucky stars for GW-US and GW-Italy Mail Order departments!
The folks in the Studio and at GW-UK thought Jervis' little "nasty" game was done by 1995 (early 1997 at the latest after a UK staff league went poorly with the introduction of real world BB coaching by a newer hired UK Studio staff member who will remain nameless), and he, meaning Jervis, could be brought back from the "Brink" and be useful again to the Studio (like with the Chaos Codex at the time) since he had allegedly finally gotten "It" out of his system.
The main problem was that both sets of Trolls made sure Jervis got a copy of every last question letter and call transcript of every last BB question we encountered including those asked at US Games Day.
Why?
Do not know really except we seem to love the game just as much as every last person asking questions about it in our two countries probably.
Anyway we proved to Jervis (who was quite amazed at how loved his "little" game was still at the time), who then tantalized the UK Business Office with the potential profits, that BB was still a viable game platform.

Anyway, I left soon after and went back out West to accomplish other matters.
Played a bit for a while, but got caught up teaching & writing, raising a family and just real life in general.
Only recently and since retiring, when my teenage sons ran into all of my GW stuff in storage, have I got back into GW games; first W40K (sort of), then Warhammer Quest (really), then WFB (sort of), and now BB (really).

Being the historian and educator I am Spubbbba, I simply want the all of the literature connected to BB.
To do that, I need to know where to look to acquire said literature.
Yes, in the end, especially if I act as impatient as the modern child which I am not, it could be quite expensive to gather in the literature.
Fortunately, I am not a Millennial and not a true Gen Xer; I am from the first years after the Boomers; what used to be called a "Baby Buster" at one time; now, a lot of folks try to call us the beginning of Gen X, but it really does not work in application - we behave differently.
This means we exercise patience, do not jump at the first items to come along and only acquire said items at comparatively good buys in relation to their retail price of the time.
This means not paying close to an hundred dollars for something for BB that came out at just under fifty (seen that too many times on eBay) and not paying over twenty dollars for BB magazines that retailed for only $6.95 or so.
And so forth.

Anyway, to conclude (yes, my students thought I was long-winded and demanding as well) I simply need a list of the White Dwarf Magazines that had Blood Bowl articles post issue #220 or so, maybe post #225 actually.
I have already found lists that explained what was in the Citadel Journals I missed, what was in each Fanatic magazine (paper and on-line) and of course, I do not need one for the Blood Bowl magazines.
I already own all of the rules and supplements from First Edition through Third, the 2002 Handbook (is it actually Fifth or Sixth Edition?) along with Annuals 2002 & 2003, BB Mag 1 (I have ten more periodicals of this title to acquire, yes? ), and a .pdf of the 2010 copyright rules.
I know there was at least one BB Handbook marketted within the BB box set of some later Edition than Third, but I still have to identify that specifically and acquire it.

So folks, in the end and specifically, I need a list or a link to list of what has been in White Dwarf magazine since ~#225 and/or just a list of the BB articles since that issue.
Thank you for the efforts, even Spubbbba's I guess, to help me acquire this knowledge.

I hope my reaction to Stubbbba's "efforts" has not and will not dissuade any of you from helping me.
Thanks again.

[Gaixo]

I hope my reaction to Stubbbba's "efforts" has not and will not dissuade any of you from helping me.
Thanks again.

Well I, for one, am a bit put off by it.

I wouldn't have been much help anyway, if that's any consolation.

[Darkson]

[Mod hat on] Harbinger8 - If you can't play nice, don't bother. I've read and re-read spubba's posts, and there's nothing in them to warrant your hostility. Carry on in this frame, and you'll get yourself a holiday from the board. [Mod hat off]

And yes, you attitude does put me off helping you further. If you're are going to blow up like this over a misunderstood post, then you're not going to get a lot of help.

[Harbinger8]

Ladies, Gentlemen, Bacteria and Diseasals {M*A*S*H reference if y'all all old enough to remember that show}(not sure about the spelling of that last one), if you consider my honesty with Spubbbba to be hostility or a blow up, very blessed are your lives with the absence of real conflict despite playing any of the GW games.
I explained my conditions and my reaction to what I felt to be careless and inconsiderate words.
Additionally, I called him no names, made no deprications about his genetics and made no ad hominem attacks whatsoever.
I pointed out that I felt that I was being treated less than fairly and that I was not being bothered to being listened to by him.
If I cannot express about how I feel or how I am being treated, what is this forum's Code of Conduct about then?
I attacked no one.
Nothing I typed here was against the Code of Conduct as stated within this forum's own structure.
Do not believe me?
Re-read it.
I did.
After getting slapped by Darkson.

As to getting any help, I am not sure really anyone here can actually do so.
I do not know if any person here has bothered to keep up with what really has gone on (history is just not the "thing" today), if it is simply too much effort, if it is that no one cares or has ever bothered with where BB has gone and/or come from, if it is only a generational issue or what it is.
15-20 years ago, my exerience of on-line BB help was a great deal different.
Granted, there was no fancy Windows based Net at the time, but the BBSs of the time seemed to be of a different tone and situation.
The Blood Bowl List was a vibrant, action-packed community that really cared about bringing BB back and keeping Jervis involved/connected with the game.
One could express how you really felt without this all this rigamarole happening.

I guess for me here the question is now mute according to the reactions of Gaixo and Darkson.
I have insulted the younger generations here evidently with how I feel about and how I perceive I am being treated so I am now the BAD GUY.
Oh well, I do not believe I am, but I have learned over the decades one truism "Life is hard and then you die."

[spubbbba]

So folks, in the end and specifically, I need a list or a link to list of what has been in White Dwarf magazine since ~#225 and/or just a list of the BB articles since that issue.

Ah, that makes things much clearer.

Well bound for glory mentioned earlier that he had all the White Dwarfs so if you drop him a PM he may be willing to go through them and let you know which issues have BB related articles and what they are about. Other people will likely have them too, I do but they are in storage and it would be too much effort to get them out.

But I stand by my statement that the articles in White Dwarf are pretty basic, they had no clue about tactics, the models in that range were mostly worse too. There was some nice fluff in it and that was back when White Dwarf was a good read. My fave was the days of Mike Walker's fantasy articles and the tale of 4 gamers.

I was trying to find a complete list of all the BB related stuff. I think it was Galak who posted it on this forum but can't seem to find it. Maybe someone else can remember as that would give you a full list of everything and the order it came out in.
I does get very confusing between 3rd edition and lrb4 as they were messing about with the rules and it was increasingly difficult to know which were "official".

Here's a link to the older lrb's. The basic 3rd edition rules are fun for one off games but there's some very exploitable skills and tactics. If you don't like crp then for league play I'd recommend LRB4 as it is pretty similar to 3rd but reigns in some of those worst excesses. Plus you get a whole bunch more teams too.

[Harbinger8]

Clearer?
It was what I have been saying from the first.
I just do not get you spubbba.

So you like the Days of the Fat Bloke as far as the White Dwarf content.
At least I recall the Tales of Four Gamers from the last few WD I received as a staffer after Fat Bloke took over from Jake.
Not sure about a Mike Walker or his articles.
Paul was fun to play against, but I have never decided if he was a good WD editor.
Personally, I prefer the magazine when Robin Dews was in charge.
That might be a bit before your time, back in the 100s.

It was not Galak or at least not recently.
It was the Spaniard, ValentSigma, that had the compiled a list of lots of BB articles.
Two problems:
1) Most of his links are down, maybe even permanently.
2) He had only Spanish White Dwarf articles listed.
Yes, I read Spanish among other languages, but English is my mother tongue and there are a lot more issues of White Dwarf in English than in Spanish.

Let me repeat Spubbbba, I am not looking for anything in particular as far as BB.
I am simply looking for the literature of it as I have said before.
In other very plain words, anything about BB in White Dwarf.

Therefore, it would be incredibly unfair, no simply unjust to ask someone like Bound For Glory to wade through every issue of White Dwarf since ~#225 looking for every time a figure was released, a special offer was extended, an announcement was made, an article was published and so forth.
Mostly the articles are my focus, but to be complete, anything about the game would be in order, the literature of the game.

To be just Spubbbba, I would have to pay him to do it.
Funds that I do not have since they have to pay for, among other things necessary, a new door at a local diner.
Or would you really expect someone here to do all of that work for you for nothing?!?
Almost 200 White Dwarf magazines!
Not me.

As to what was official or not with Third Edition, how was it confusing?
The OBERWALD took care of that.
Jervis signed off on the OBERWALD as to what was official outside of the Handbook & DeathZone.

What excesses in Third Edition?
You could only use one Skill at a time contrary to a belief that was fostered on-line by too many of the crybaby Loser coaches.
What exactly are you speaking about when you use the terms "exploitable" and "excesses"?

Thank you for the link Spubbbba, but again, we here are not playing any version after Third Rev/Mod.
Fourth Ed., if that is what you mean by LRB4, twisted and/or broke parts of the rules to where they did not work any more.
The challenge of playing with/against certain teams was lost and/or made overly complicated to name only one problem of Fourth.
And all of the problems were only exacerbated by later editions.
That whole mucking about is why we here play Third.

All of the other teams can be used in Third as well.
Some were already being used in GW Staff leagues as early as 1997, long before Fourth came out.

Okay Darkson, was that reply more in line with what you desire?

[Darkson]

For someone that berated a poster a poster on history, you do get a lot of it wrong.

3rd, yes you could use more than one skill at a time (mighty blow and dirty player for a start).
4th edition was 4th edition, not LRB4 (which if you've read the Valentsigma thread, you've had seen).
The whole journal/Fanatic NAF knowledge gap.


Galak had a full list (and some of them online) before a c&d from Games Workshop.
Sigma had the English versions, so I've no idea what happened to them.
Have you tried the torrent link yet?

You can find the fluff from 3rd ed onwards in the Lore of Nuffle site (tablet won't let me paste the link, but it's the first link on Google).

Other than that, you (or someone) will need to go through all their old WDs, as it seems that there are no more lists at GW's requests.

[Harbinger8]

For someone that berated a poster a poster on history, you do get a lot of it wrong.

I do?
Where at mid-1998 or earlier in this game do I have it wrong?
Or are you forgetting from what I have said earlier, I am looking for any information that is from Late 1998 or later?
#225 was the October '98 issue of White Dwarf.
Why would I know any of the history of BB since?
That Darkson is indeed what I am looking for!!!

3rd, yes you could use more than one skill at a time (mighty blow and dirty player for a start).

Nope, the OBERWALD clarified that issue up clear back before 1997, which only rules lawyers twisted out of DeathZone in the first place.
None of the Blood Bowl rules ever actually said you could use two Skills at once.
Jervis never thought of that and it never came up in any staff league until he saw a certain coach who will not be named in the UK Studio league doing that circa 1996.

4th edition was 4th edition, not LRB4 (which if you've read the Valentsigma thread, you've had seen).
The whole journal/Fanatic NAF knowledge gap.

What there is to the thread.
The thread is nearly invalidated with the links not being operational.

Evidently some here here call it LRB4 if you have read this whole thread.
Then again, I have heard Sixth Edition called LRB6, but it is not labelled such on ValentSigma's thread.
Then again, nothing on his thread is listed as CRaP either which no one debates exists.
Are you seeing my problem with his thread now?

My knowledge gap or is there an actual "journal/Fanatic NAF knowledge gap"?
Clarify please.

Galak had a full list (and some of them online) before a c&d from Games Workshop.

Before my time here first.
And second, why bring up Galak is the situation is such as you say.
Its total absence makes it immaterial.

Sigma had the English versions, so I've no idea what happened to them.
Have you tried the torrent link yet?

No sign whatsoever of the English WD on Sigma' s thread.
That therefore cannot be held against me

Now, are you the one not reading?
I already posted earlier on this thread the link was not working.
You said you could not test it right then because you were at work.
I then asked you, several hours later mind you, if you had tested it again.
You did not bother to respond.

You can find the fluff from 3rd ed onwards in the Lore of Nuffle site (tablet won't let me paste the link, but it's the first link on Google).

Once again, shuffling through a computer source.
Once again, not what I asking for either.

Other than that, you (or someone) will need to go through all their old WDs, as it seems that there are no more lists at GW's requests.

Which I cannot do because I do not have the physical issues and if I did, I would not have to ask here for it.
And, once again, a task I would not ask anyone to do without compensation which I do not have.
And, obviously, no one here has volunteered to do it for any reason, before or after this thread's appearance.

Goodness gracious, I really must be getting old.
English has evidently changed since I do not seem to be getting my point across whatsoever.
This squabbling is getting really ridiculous.

[Darkson]

You never said you'd tried Jarni's link, just asked if it was working for me.
Now you've said you've tried it, then I'll take that off my "links to suggest" list.

"Fanatic NAF" is my tablet incorrectly correcting for me.

One skill per action became official in 4th edition, not 3rd. Oberwald was suggested, but never official.

[spubbbba]

Let me repeat Spubbbba, I am not looking for anything in particular as far as BB.
I am simply looking for the literature of it as I have said before.
In other very plain words, anything about BB in White Dwarf.

I didn't bother with WD when I first got into warhammer, preferring to spend that money on models, but did start around the 150's and had every issue from 131 to 350 and a few earlier ones that had articles on Squats.

If you are literally looking for any WD that just mentions BB then that will make it a bit trickier. As with most of the specialist games it was a fad for a few years in WD and then hardly mentioned after. In regards to proper articles then I doubt you'd find many after 225.
By then they had switched it to the journal and later specialist games mags.

This might be of use, getting WD at those dates should have a mention of BB. But it may well just be pics of the models in the out this month section with nothing else.

[SillySod]

*Popcorn*