How'd we do?

[Ghost of Pariah]

Well, some the answers kinda need some explaination. Yes and No doesn't always make sense. Example-

You have to make a second dauntless roll when you use frenzy but earlier it was said that whatever you had for the first block you have for the second block. (I believe the Horns was the trait in question.) Why the exception?

Why no Sure Feet on a pass block? Don't see the problem there.
Why no pass block on a Throw Team Mate? Don't see the reason for the exception there either. TTM is your pass action for the turn and is referred to as a normal pass.

I think most of the others are self explainatory but some people may want some sort of logic behind the rulings. (Personally, I think it makes it seem less arbitrary)

And if you could address the rules on Galak's site that would be great.

And congrats on having the common sense to keep most of those rules experimental. I didn't think you had it in you!

[Anthony_TBBF]

Not a bad job at all. I would have called a few of them differently but no biggie. I am mostly happy with the fact that the experimental rules are still experimental.

[Dangerous Dave]

OK what was missed, should have been changed or bad calls:-


The Handicap Table - (some) of the good events are too good, others are too bad. This should have been amended so that events were more equal.

MVPs for dead players - this is nuts - surely having a death is enough of a penalty.

Foul Appearance active while on the floor - bad decision.

Kick Off Table - the extreme events should have been reduced - eg Pitch Invasion, Riot and Blitz being the prime candidates


Other comments:

I am, pleased to see that the experimental teams have remained experimental. However, if on play testing, it is generally thought that they need to be changed, then do the revised versions then become experimental or go straight to official?

I am sure that a lot of other issues were discussed in great depth - eg aging, Wizards, Alchemist, Magic Helmets, Secret Weapons etc. I'm sure that most Coaches would be interested to know where these are going. Silence is all we have on these at the moment.


Overall pleased to see no major changes. However, the Handicap Table was screaming out for help..... why didn't it get amended?



Dave

[Longshot]

You are doing a good job.
And most of that you re listening us! That is important and very gentle.

As galk said, there is some clarifications that are not in it.
For Galk, i would say as you exept:
#3 =>somebody with a stat of 0 is concidered dead.
#5=>No`
#7d=>No

One thing that i ask myself is how a 2M player can do 3 square for a pass block? going for it?

A question that Trambi asked me: Can we use Nerves of steel for an interception?and a bouncing ball?
I replied Yes cos this is a catch roll but this is not clearly said in the rulebook.

[Zombie]

"Gentil" in English is "nice", not "gentle". "Gentle" is more like "doux".

[gallowin]

A question that Trambi asked me: Can we use Nerves of steel for an interception?and a bouncing ball?
I replied Yes cos this is a catch roll but this is not clearly said in the rulebook.

NoS is used to negate the TZ modifier with any catching or passing rolls. An interception (which you can use the Catch skill on) is catching the ball but not one that's passed to you.

[Mojoshenpo]

OK what was missed, should have been changed or bad calls:-

The Handicap Table - (some) of the good events are too good, others are too bad. This should have been amended so that events were more equal.

Kick Off Table - the extreme events should have been reduced - eg Pitch Invasion, Riot and Blitz being the prime candidates

Dave

Yeah, these tables are always a problem and a potential game winner/loser by themselves... else, they are totally lame.... DEFINITELY need balance....


Guess I won't be painting that Rat Ogre or Troll anytime soon....

Using Pass Block to up MA....

MVP for sitting out the entire game?!

No Pass Block for TTM?!!!

Big Guy re-rolls....

Everything else good to ok... but what the hell does "between" mean in regards to intercepting...? Why didn't they just say anyone's square that the ruler touches? I can deal with someone on the side slapping the ball loose or picking it off....

[GalakStarscraper]

Everything else good to ok... but what the hell does "between" mean in regards to intercepting...? Why didn't they just say anyone's square that the ruler touches? I can deal with someone on the side slapping the ball loose or picking it off....

See on this one we agree. I think that is easier and what I'd like to see ... easy. I like the easy rules. But at this point, I'll just take Neo telling me what the answer is ... as you can see most of use agree but not everyone ... that's why they were on the clarification list.

Galak

[shaniepoo]

Over all i dont think that they are that bad. I dont think that the kick-off table is that bad, riot is a bit harsh but the rest are all ok IMO.

I dont agree with giving MVP's to dead players though

I still dont understand though, why do you roll for interseptions before you even roll to pass the ball? Seams stupid to me.

[Fondu77]

is this official or have we to wait untill the official one....
What about reroll for big guy????

[Heiper]

I'm pretty happy with the outcome of this Rules Review. Got some clarifications that I've been waiting for. There are some small stuff that i would have liked to see done an other way, but thats up to the league to House Rule or not.

Getting MVP for not playing the game, thats one that we've never played with. I guess this is done to make it more easy and fluid gameplay, as you would have to note down who played the game if not.

I'm very happy with the kicking rules staying experimental, as I'm one of those against that one

GFI on leap, well I don't like that one either, makes it more easy to do One Turners and alot of other stuff.

Push backs, good to get a clarification, and tbh we've always played like that over here.

Not so happy about the Re-Roll issue with Big Guys, never wanted them to get any Re-Rolls, but i can see the logic of why they should be able to use Leader and Trofy rolls. I just liked that they had to "waste" a skill on Pro to get Re-Rolls (not that Pro is a bad skill, but there are others that could have been more fun to have)

Ogre costing normal is not the best thing I think, but good to get a clarification there too.

And I don't like that you can field less than 11 players if you want too. Seems all wrong to me, but I'll see how it works out.

But all in all I'm very happy about this review, this is clearly one of the games where they listen to us players, can't get much better than that

Good Work BBRC, looking forward to try this out now.

[Lucien Swift]

i'd like to congratulate you kids on showing remarkable restraint at only adding clarity and consistency to the rules rather than tinkering and adding complexity and conundrums...

...i would like to, but i can't. i have this sneaky suspicion that you guys all went to the mountain with reams of new rules and ideas and jervis said unto you "lo, behold the new printed rulebook which we shall not be making obsolete two days after its release." and the bbrc said unto their leader "but jervis, we have kicking rules! and progressive go for it, and wizards, and blimps, and hot dog vendors, and..." and jervis harshly said unto the illuminati "nay, the new rulebook cost us half our budget to get to press, it shall not be rendered obsolete this year" and the illuminated said unto jervis "but what about secret weapons! we need secret weapons!" and jervis said unto the illuminated "nay, the rules already in our snazzy new book must suffice for now, the new rulebook shall not be rendered obsolete." and the illuminated said unto jervis "but jervis, if we can't render the holy tablet obsolete, what the hell can we do?" and jervis went up the mountain and thought, and his solution was to decree that andy hall shall have a child so as to delay the review and give him time to figure out what the hell to do... and when he came down from the mountain he said unto the assemblage:

"we shall give unto the masses the birthright of all gamers: an errata page."

and so it was, and it was good. and all throught the land the wisest of bloodbowlers smiled and rejoiced, for they knew that it was good and that that the process had worked its greatest good, errata alone... completely over the objections and consternations of the bbrc...

[Dave]

Overall a good Job. Clarification, even if it's different than I would do it, is allways good. Makes us talk about the same things.

Some points though.

Big Guys with a RR ??
Pass Block: Under the Range Ruler is much easier to spot quickly
Dauntless: Feels like using one skill twice in one turn.
MVP's: Dead players; okay but those who haven't played??
MA 2 players pass block 3?

Probabely more but I'll see about that.

Still a good job, clarity = good

[McSnaga]

... and when he came down from the mountain he said unto the assemblage:

"we shall give unto the masses the birthright of all gamers: an errata page."

Well said. I am sure that if large amounts of change took place so soon after publication of the new handbook there would be far more upset.

[martynq]

I guess that what was done was done right... big guys must be able to use Leader re-rolls, as otherwise your big guys could take the Leader skill but not be able to use it, which would seem rather odd.

I can't say I like the Foul Appearance working while prone change. I wonder whether this is one that will be changed back in time?

I agree with Dangerous Dave about the handicap table and the kick-off table. It would have been really good if these had been looked at.

Cheers,
Martyn