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Hello there,

I have 2 requests for you:

- Some friends of mine and myself are planning for playing with a 1st league, and a second league (minor league)... The idea is to allow less money for builing team than the major league (for example: premier league 1000000 GBP, minor league 750000 GBP) , and they should meet major teams in cups... Something like soccer divisions, and FA cup, in fact. What do you think about ? Have you ever played in a league including 2 divisions, with differences between teams ?
- In the same ideas, I was thinking about 2nd edition roster teams, updated for 2K1 rules... I'm not sure about the balance, but I suppose it should be OK if big guys are not allowed in these teams... what do you think about ?

Just a last question, which has nothing to do with house rules: I'm looking for a website with all the colour scheme of NFL teams... I took a look on www.nfl.com, but it's not very easy to see all the colour schemes, and I'd like to find them in a stand alone website, not with 32 links... Do you know something helpful ?

Thanks,

DFC

for current and past football helmet designs from just about every league under the sun, ever, you want to try this place:
http://inside99.net/HelmetProject/
This guy has waaaaaay too much time on his hands, but its a great site.

(the idea sounds interesting BTW. Would be interested to see the results.
You know about the Pub League rules too don't you?)

When using lower divisions, I recommend:

-Let them have less money in the beginning
-To cut their income, use a different die (d4) for rolling spectators, or give a -1 penalty for gate income rolls.
-Let them buy less FF in the beginning (max of 8, for example)
-Possibly make the FF growth harder.
-Disallow freebooting stars

If you plan on having several divisions, increase the penalties the farther you go from the main league.

That should keep them at a lower level than the league teams. I also recommend to have the worst league teams and the best division teams play each other at the end of a season to see if they switch places. You could have playoffs between the two weakest league teams and two strongest division teams, for example.

Thadrin: many thanks for your link, this was exactly what I'm looking for... Do you know if something exists with the complete colour scheme ? (ie with shirts, pants , ...). As you may have guessed, I'm looking for some good colour schemes for some teams. And yes, this was directly inspired from league pubs leagues, but I'm looking for some ways to make possible some matches (ie during cups) between teams of 2 divisions, with a non predicted issue ! I'm not sure pub leagues teams would be in this case...

Mestari: many thanks too for your advices...

-Let them have less money in the beginning

The main idea... what about 750000 GBP ?

-To cut their income, use a different die (d4) for rolling spectators, or give a -1 penalty for gate income rolls.

Sounds great !!

-Let them buy less FF in the beginning (max of 8, for example) Possibly make the FF growth harder.

Sounds great too... Even if the difference isn't too important for the beginning FF to my mind (what about 5 or 6 FF ?)

--Disallow freebooting stars

Yes and no... maybe they should be allowed when lower temas would play against premier temas, don't you think ? The reason should be the starplayers will be attracted by the match, not by the team reputation...

That should keep them at a lower level than the league teams. I also recommend to have the worst league teams and the best division teams play each other at the end of a season to see if they switch places. You could have playoffs between the two weakest league teams and two strongest division teams, for example.

The idea would be that every coach would have a premier league team (important precision: nothing to see with some ambitious project seen somewhere else ), and should coach a second one for fun... but it has its pros and cons, especially if the league is running for more than a season...

For Cups (chaos cup, dungeonbowl and spike trophy), the idea would be to start with lowers clubs only, like the FA cup runs (ie: 1st week: matches with conference and D3 teams; 2nd week, D2 teams plays, ...), but I'm not sure about the format... maybe we will test it on a short tournament during the summer. if interested, I will put a feedback here.

Not having a go DFC but what is the rationale behind a weakened 2nd division? I found it much better in the past to just put the less successful teams in a lower division and just opperate a 1 up 1 down system. DD.

I think DFC wants to START with some teams better than others. With alimited number of coaches his idea has a great deal of merit - each coach having two teams, one serious and another less so. He just wants to Nobble some of the teams to see how they play against teams that should be (theoretically) a lot stronger.

he's just looking for that whole Yeovil town vs. Arsenal thing...

Not having a go DFC but what is the rationale behind a weakened 2nd division? I found it much better in the past to just put the less successful teams in a lower division and just opperate a 1 up 1 down system.

I think DFC wants to START with some teams better than others. With alimited number of coaches his idea has a great deal of merit - each coach having two teams, one serious and another less so. He just wants to Nobble some of the teams to see how they play against teams that should be (theoretically) a lot stronger.

he's just looking for that whole Yeovil town vs. Arsenal thing...

Yeah, Thadrin is right. Maybe I'd choose Telford United instead of Yeovil (or Aldershot , but the main idea is there... DD, your remark is well, if we want to cut the league between 2 divisions, due to a too big number of coaches. And sure, it would be the most realistic, and the most equal system... But the focus is completely different. I'll start a new league with some friends (we will be around 10), and I wonder if we could have 2 teams... And having a diference should be interesting. Should be only, due to the fact I realized that after some matches (let's guess 10), the most powerful team in 2nd division should be better than the weakest team of 1st division... So Mestari or Thadrin suggestions are valuables (I think about pub league)...

The second part of my question about converting 2nd edition roster is just in order to have more roster teams, and finally some different choices when choosing a team... but I'm not sure it may be a good idea, so I'm looking for some suggestions that should balance the thing (for example, no BG allowed...)

I got the same question as DFC, and i m considering the following :

I ll probably have 3 Division, one of 4 teams and 2 of three. (5 Teams have already played 1 season (ending with rating between 150 and 180) and 5 teams will be new)

- allow a 16 slot roster for Div1, a 14 Slot roster for div 2, and a 13 roster slot for div 3

- Rolling D6 dices for crowd in Div1, D4 Dices for Div2, and D3 for Div3

What do you think about that ? (especially about the roster thing)

Thadrin wrote:for current and past football helmet designs from just about every league under the sun, ever, you want to try this place:
http://inside99.net/HelmetProject/
This guy has waaaaaay too much time on his hands, but its a great site.

The link doesn't seem to work, are you sure it's correct?

-Balrog

don't hamstring the second division teams, they'll never recover... instead, you might be most pleased with the results if you simply offset teh start of the lower-division teams by a number of games... 6, 8, or 10 should suffice to establish a decent gulf between them.... then use the same creation and rules set for both leagues... a team that gets promoted from a late start like this will have a tough time keeping up, and a team that gets demoted, despite being the whipping biy of the top flight, will content fairly well in the lower division.... if there is a failing to this approach it is that the teams will eventually all plateau in the same tr range one day... one thing you might consider is a divisional winnings modifier, say a +1 winnings for premier teams, no mod for 1st division, a -1 for second, etc... doesn't seem like a lot, but over a season, the difference will be pronounced, and it will alter the plateu point for teams in each division, if the seperation isn't enough for your tastes, make it +2/0/-2 or something... the LPL is now a multi-divisional league with cup meetings a lot like you're proposing, and i'm going to be using a winnings mod like this in season 2 when the divisions balance out and the system really kicks in (because the second divsion was added because of lingering interest in teh league after we started, i'm currently running with 12 teams in teh prem and 4 in the 1st, to be split to 8 and 8 in season 2... with a 5 game offset by the end of the season...

ask me in nine months how it worked out

you think the helmet depot guy has too much time on his hands?

Try these:
Society of Sports Uniform Research
www.ssur.org

Thee Logo Shack
http://www.mysportshost.com/~asgsport/logoshack.html

Yeah I see it, and some very interesting suggestions. Going on a completely different track you could even take the same Race and have feeder teams or a reserve League, but you would have to love that race I would imagine, and everyone would have to do the same.