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I refute that (though if you ask some I know, they might say I'm i the 2nd category) - I've been trying for 20 years, and mine never get's better - if anything, it get's worse, because I get frustrated that the picture in my mind no where near corresponds what my hands are producing.
Some people just can't paint, like some can't learn to drive, and others can't learn to use PCs.

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Personally I think that people who can paint really well and can also play to a winning standard should be banned from tournaments for being too damn clever

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Heff...Keeping the Dwarf (and lego) hate alive
If you cannot stall out for an 8 turn drive to score with dwarves then really you need to go and play canasta with your dad...if you can find him.

I can paint to a reasonable standard bit can't keep a rule in my head...

Then l like you despite your tag

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Heff...Keeping the Dwarf (and lego) hate alive
If you cannot stall out for an 8 turn drive to score with dwarves then really you need to go and play canasta with your dad...if you can find him.

I'm not saying anything about 'true' or not being true, it's just the way I see things.
If I take the effort to go to a tournament I want to use a painted team. It sort of 'shows' to me that you're more or less serious about the hobby, and willing to amke an effort.

I dont look down on peoaple who dont see it that way, it's just me and I am perfectly aware of that.
For instance, I still have an undead team that I am halfway with. I want to use it before mid-July in a tournament, and I will make damn sure the whole batch is painted.
Keeps you motivated to paint a team, too.

I wont use darkies in a tournament (still not 'really' painted, am repainting it slowly) nor slann (still just pewter).
I even try to more or less match teams with the Colleges of Magic... Using spare figures to bulk out an already painted team and paint them more or less in the same colours.

Different strokes different folks .

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Apparently, you don't have enough will and dedication!

Seriously, having experienced the revelation of "Hey, this isn't actually all that hard, I can kinda-sorta do this" myself I cannot believe that somone can't at least learn to do '3-colour base, wash, drybrush'. Maybe you're setting your standards too high? Or maybe I'm setting mine too low!

I think this is the issue for most painting beginners.
But for a basic 3 color miniature, no skill is required. Just don't try achieve something you can't. Keep things simple, just put basic colors on the good spots. And there you go. if you feel very very bad at painting, forget about shading, drybrush or anything, just put the basic colors and you have something ok.

Just my opinion about painting on tourney: in my ideal world, each coach would have his own team customized and fitting his style. Meaning you can recognize a coach by watching his mini on the table.
"hey look those are the 40miners, i did not know they was attending in this tourney"

My own policy is to play only teams i painted myself.
i don't like to play against non painted teams because i think that there are some more readable alternatives : paper miniatures would be nicer, cheaper and easier to set up.

I must be in the lack of will group as I hate painting. More than Heff hates Dwarfs. I really cant stand it.
I just dont have the patience, will or inclination to do it. So I dont. I have a man do it for me and in return I fund his pewter/resin habit.

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It does depend on the person you are playing against but at the NAF some of the teams were simply stunning!

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It is true that most of us will judge our own efforts too harshly. This is compounded by the way you focus on the model when painting it, since you see it up close and spend considerable time working on it you’ll be acutely aware of all the imperfections.

When someone else sees your team on the board it will usually be from a distance so really the colours scheme and theme will create more of an impact than the paint job. It is only when taking a closer look that you’d be able to differentiate between tabletop, well painted and golden daemon winner standard.

So by using a black undercoat (this can hide quite a few errors and adds shading) getting the colours mostly in the right area and then giving the model an appropriate wash they will look good on the board. If they are so inclined then pretty much everyone will be able to achieve this standard.

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This is true.
I remember a few years ago I was running a Warmachine tourney at a local con. I saw what I thought was a really nice army in the 40k tourney - from playing distance they looked great. Up close you could see that they were really not good at all, a bit sloppy and messy. You really don't have to be a very good painter at all to produce acceptable results.

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I read this post a while back and it seems a revelation. Next time I get my paints out I plan to give it a go. If the results are nearly as effective for me as the pics suggest, I'll be very happy.

http://www.kan.org/michael/mkp/paynes_grey.php

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Excellent find, I'll definitely give it a try sometime. I haven't got a clue how rusty my painting is so I dunno how much I can comment on this thread; I haven't painted a model in 8 years!

That said, I think a lot of it is patience, as people have already said. On the original subject, I would say you should at least have a basecoat and ink wash if you're going to a tournament. Last time I did paint, I was your typical impatient warhammer kid but even I managed a base coat and highlights in most cases. I wouldn't have any problem with facing an unpainted team but it is nice to look out across a board and be able to visualise what's going on, if you know what I mean?

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as long as everything looks like it should, no using orks as elvish catchers, everything should be fine. Our league does not have a painting requirement, but we do a prize drawing for all the painted teams.

if you are making the trip, as mentioned in a few posts, to do non-local tournies you may want to paint your minis to a level you are happy with. Painting to where we are happy is usually good enough for most tourneys

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