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One of the first assumptions in this thread is that "Blitz is the most game-changing event on Kick Off table".

I think not always you could get profit on a blitz. For sure elves and skaven will love it, and it will give you the initiative. But I've seen no few times a pitch invasion (specially with +2 FAME) change a match. I've lost play-offs also because a Riot (getting read of one valuable turn) and for sure to kill the ball carrier with a rock will definitely decide a match.

The final conclussion is that if you start changing Blitz!, you will end changing all the Kick off table. This is a way that ends playing Chess (there are no luck involved in! )

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I think Chess is in dire need of a kick-off table. It would be a better game with a riot result, rolling throw a rock and hitting the king would also be hillarious.

I don't see why you'd have to set up in any special way in case of Blitz! I always close the wide zone close to the LoS anyway. All you need to do this are 2 players. If you do this on both sides the opposition can only break through on one side (during the Blitz! event) and usually only manage to get one catcher/blitzer into my half of the pitch. Picking up the ball and dealing with one catcher or blitzer in the same turn is usually no big deal.

The fun with Blitz! usually shows up when Nuffle decides to interfere with my blitz on the blitzer/catcher and rolls up a skull or two. From there on things get interesting.

Edit: Wood Elves could get 3 players over the LoS on a Blitz! result due to Wardancers having leap. Nuffle would never allow 2 successful AG4 leaps to happen in the same turn, but it could.

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IN my opinion, blitz is fine.

Things that can screw a game up more than a blitz?

1. sweltering heat
2. a thrown rock - hell, this killed off my first attempt at a wood elf team when a wardancer died before turn 1. I did laugh though...
3. playing as dwarves.

Even a perfect defence can be a major game-changer (such as turn 8/16 when you're lining a one-turn score)

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That makes sense - blimey!

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Well blitzes are what they are.... Worse is getting one against you when you can't defend against it because you are a man/two down....

Funniest blitz for me was missing the second gfi to put a werewolf under the ball... then he "falconed"....

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Slightly off topic but I always found it a bit unfair that the defending team gets two high-impact kick-off results with perfect defence and blitz! I personally think the kind of comments like "if you lose to a blitz! your formation must be bad so you deserve it" are incredibly short sighted. I mean my opponent doesn't need to flood my half with players or get directly under the ball to put a wrench in my drive, especially if I can't field 11 players for whatever reason. Would you tell a coach that his strategy was bad because he didn't anticipate the changing weather KO'ing half his team with heat-stroke? Would you criticise a coach for not keeping his apothecary to save his star player from a thrown rock?

Also would it really be a bad thing to see a few more asymmetrical formations once in a while?

Personally I do think that some of the results still feel like they take the game out of the coaches hands' although it's been toned down a fair bit. It's certainly not something that will keep me awake at night but it is one of the few things I'll criticise about the game.

Total odds of 1/6. That seems pretty standard for BB. I think High Kick is pretty high impact (especially for slow teams).
Not quite the comment that was made, so a bit of a strawman there. Failure to prepare is preparing to fail, though, and if you're down to so few players that you really can't defend against a blitz then things are going pretty badly already and you've probablybeen nuffled in other ways.
I already mentioned what I think of the thrown rock, and both of those results are team-neutral. Apples and oranges.
There's nothing stopping anyone from setting up assymetrically, but you do so at your own risk. That's the point.

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Probably. Because the first thought that comes to mind is, "Why would you ever do this?"

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Probably wasn't very clear. Lets say an important player takes a permanent injury/RIP and you decide to use your apothecary on it. Later in the game, a rock is thrown that ends up killing another important player. Would you tell that player they should have prepared better and anticipated the rock?



Why do I have to be down to "so few" players? It only takes 1 or 2 missing players to create gaps for agility teams to squeeze through, or to allow a strength team to snowball. Ofc its a wise move to set up as safely as possible but I've yet to see set ups that are completely blitz-proof. Simply being able to move and react to the offesive set up is in itself a huge advantage, Blood Bowl is the kind of game where a single d6 roll can make the difference between a win or a loss so saying that people can prepare for a blitz and it will all be OK understates the impact they have, in my opinion.

You can't prepare for a rock - there is nothing you can do about it. You can prepare for a blitz since you can control areas of the pitch and attempt to deny them to your opponent.
Apothecary usage (when and on who) is a whole other matter.
Another strawman...
Preparing for a blitz increases your odds of a favourable outcome from one. Failing to do so drastically reduces those odds. Nobody said "it would all be ok" except you
This is a risk management game, and part of the setup is balancing your imperative to score with your chances of not getting the ball - you may not have enough players to cover the ball before attempting a pickup without dropping back from your LOS, for example, and that is just one of the decisions you make as a coach and which can blow up in your face.

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Thanks for clarifying. That definitely would be a comletely different situation.

Yes this ^

Blitz is fine, but the Kick off Table is meant to represent the biggest game changers are the leat probable. The problem is other kick off results have been nerfed and the roll required was not changed to reflect this. Get the REf used to be huge and it deserved being where it was, now though it isnt a big deal and should haev swapped places with Blitz or possibly Riot. They just effect the game so much more now.

Blitz! is the reason I don't put all 10 of my High Elves on the left side.

No change is needed. The current version is perfect, IMHO.

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