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Scatter
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:55 pm
by TopsyKretts
Slightly confused by how "scatter" is defined.
Page 20 (Random Direction Template): "This template is used whenever the ball ‘scatters’, ‘bounces’ or ‘deviates’..."
Page 25: "Throughout the rules, reference will be made to the ball ‘deviating’, ‘scattering’ or ‘bouncing’, and it is worth establishing early on what is meant by each of these terms:"
So when the ball (or thrown player or bomb) is moving randomly, it can do so in one of 3 ways: scatter, bounce or deviate. All good so far. But now, read closely the rules for Throw Team-mate.
Page 52: " Unlike a Pass action, a Throw Team-mate action that is not fumbled will always scatter before landing."
But the result of throwing a player are the following:
- Suberb: Scatter
- Successful: Scatter
- Terrible: Deviate
- Fumbled: Bounce
So it will NOT always scatter? Or is this usage of the word "scatter" a group term? Ie. scatter = scatter, bounce & deviate?
Re: Scatter
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:12 pm
by Papa Sebco
TopsyKretts wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:55 pm
Slightly confused by how "scatter" is defined.
Page 20 (Random Direction Template): "This template is used whenever the ball ‘scatters’, ‘bounces’ or ‘deviates’..."
Page 25: "Throughout the rules, reference will be made to the ball ‘deviating’, ‘scattering’ or ‘bouncing’, and it is worth establishing early on what is meant by each of these terms:"
So when the ball (or thrown player or bomb) is moving randomly, it can do so in one of 3 ways: scatter, bounce or deviate. All good so far. But now, read closely the rules for Throw Team-mate.
Page 52: " Unlike a Pass action, a Throw Team-mate action that is not fumbled will always scatter before landing."
But the result of throwing a player are the following:
- Suberb: Scatter
- Successful: Scatter
- Terrible: Deviate
- Fumbled: Bounce
So it will NOT always scatter? Or is this usage of the word "scatter" a group term? Ie. scatter = scatter, bounce & deviate?
Acording to me, that is a type. They should have written "Unlike a Pass action, a Throw Team-mate action that is not fumbled will always scatter OR DEVIATE before landing."
Re: Scatter
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:52 pm
by TopsyKretts
Yeah that makes sense, but just found another example:
Page 54 (Crash Landing): "Once the scatter has been resolved, the player will bounce (as if they were a ball) from the square they land in."
Again, the player may bounce, scatter or deviate (depending on the quality of the throw). I get the feeling scatter is interchangeably used as a group term for all types of random movement (bounce, scatter, deviate).
Re: Scatter
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:21 pm
by Saebelsultan
Scatter is what the ball does in the air and bounce is what the ball does on the ground (or on your 2nd example the Stunty).
For your first example they should have added "Unlike a Pass action, a successfulThrow Team-mate action that is not fumbled will always scatter before landing."
Re: Scatter
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:06 am
by TopsyKretts
Saebelsultan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:21 pm
Scatter is what the ball does in the air and bounce is what the ball does on the ground (or on your 2nd example the Stunty).
For your first example they should have added "Unlike a Pass action, a
successfulThrow Team-mate action that is not fumbled will always scatter before landing."
Thanks, that makes sense. I assume Deviate is also something the "thing" (ball/bomb/thrown player) does in the air.
Re: Scatter
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:32 pm
by Saebelsultan
Yes, that's how I read it.
Re: Scatter
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:48 am
by lyetownmax
I've also been confused by the term Scatter in the new rulebook, in my case, in relation to the Changing weather result on the kick-off table.
I don't have the book to hand but I know it says that if you have Changing weather as a kick-off result, and the result of the new weather roll is 4-10 (normal, fine etc), the ball will "Scatter."
Under the 2016 rules that would mean it scattered one extra square before bouncing. However, given that "Scatter" has now been officially defined as referring to three scatter rolls, am I correct in thinking Changing weather+normal weather now means the ball will have three scatter rolls before bouncing?
That would mean the Kick skill has potentially become a little less reliable.
What are the community's thoughts? Have I interpreted the new rule correctly?
Re: Scatter
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:23 am
by Jayward
You have indeed. In those circumstances Changing Weather results in three rolls of the d8.
Re: Scatter
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:39 am
by lyetownmax
Thanks Jayward, this was a bone of contention at my first tournament, albeit one amicably enough resolved.
Re: Scatter
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:53 pm
by lunchmoney
lyetownmax wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:48 am
am I correct in thinking Changing weather+normal weather now means the ball will have three scatter rolls before bouncing?
That is correct.
Re: Scatter
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:49 pm
by sann0638
This is why capitals, italics and bold are used in good rulebooks.