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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:57 pm 
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So if understood Simon correct, once he is not a NAF member anymore, he wants to have all his data, including game data deleted from the NAF database..

Nope, you've misunderstood.

Once I'm no longer a NAF member I don't wish the NAF to continue to record my games I play after that point.

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The question is: is the hatred of Khorne worth all that hassle?

Yes, and don't forget hatred of Bretonnians as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:00 pm 
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How is someone that lets their "active membership" run out picking and choosing their NAF tournaments? If your membership runs out, then you're no longer a member.
That's not what I said. The situation that was discussed by the committee is one in which an active member didn't want certain games ranked. So you've been bringing up an entirely different issue, I think.

I said, as I non-member, I didn't want my games going forward to be recorded, to which Sann posted the above.
So who has got it wrong? If the policy Sann posted above is only for NAF members, then it's not a problem, and Sann is incorrect.


I would say that it's concerning that the committee has 'sat down' and discussed a policy change when they don't even understand what they're discussing, but then we had the same thing with the B&K vote. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:11 pm 
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Active v non active has never been an issue regarding recording games.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:15 pm 
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Incorrect, as I played a couple of non-active NAF members in the past and the games didn't count, and I know others have.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
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Awesome. Now you're telling me how the naf database works.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:21 pm 
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Right, so I'll be a non-NAF member, therefore my games won't be ranked and the link you posted above is null and void because that's for active members, as per Gaxio - you can't have it both ways.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:27 pm 
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As I said, we'll need to put a "retirement" option together, meaning that you're asking for the account to be permanently closed/deactivated. Shouldn't be a problem. But this won't become the default for every expired account.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:06 pm 
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I say just bin him from the database completely. He clearly wants nothing to do with the NAF so why should the NAF act as an online depository for something he doesn’t really care about.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:30 pm 
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Darkson wrote:
Tojurub wrote:
So if understood Simon correct, once he is not a NAF member anymore, he wants to have all his data, including game data deleted from the NAF database..

Nope, you've misunderstood.

Once I'm no longer a NAF member I don't wish the NAF to continue to record my games I play after that point.



Well, just tell the TO that you are not a NAF member, don't give them your NAF member and that's it. The NAF can't be put liable for the stuff TOs submit. If you find out that TO has entered data of your when reporting tourney results, then ask him to have it corrected. The TD can correct wrong inputs.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:37 pm 
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No Torsten, that goes against NAF policy. We would not recommend people to be dishonest, I don't think, in the same way as we would ask people not to make multiple accounts, but can't stop them.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:44 pm 
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Tojurub wrote:
Well, just tell the TO that you are not a NAF member, don't give them your NAF member and that's it.

Which is what I did, until Sann stepped in with his (seemingly) incorrect interpretation of the new NAF policy.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
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No Torsten, that goes against NAF policy. We would not recommend people to be dishonest, I don't think, in the same way as we would ask people not to make multiple accounts, but can't stop them.


Interesting. I must have missed the past tense in that sentence in the public meeting minutes. I honestly thought we were talking about current members. Sorry, my fault. Guess we will take that up in the next committee meeting

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:03 pm 
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Apologies for the misunderstanding Torsten. There has never been a distinction between active and non active when results are recorded. Once you have a NAF name and number you have the right to have your results recorded forever.

No one has ever (I believe) asked for their results not to be recorded ever again, so this is a new situation that the NAF committee are having to deal with. Personally (not that I have a vote any more) I think that this would mean that said person would never have their results recorded ever again (or for a fixed period), otherwise it is the same as abstaining from a particular tournament, which is the situation the committee decided against.

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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:50 pm 
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This really bums me out, but i think I might permanently ask to be removed too. In the past, I asked to be removed only when the rankings weren't being calculated appropriately, ie. treating Stunty Lizard teams as Lizardmen, or when tournaments with differing tiers weren't reporting the TV properly.

I'll need to chew this one over. But it's either dropping out of NAF altogether, or only attending events that do things right. Horrible decision, for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Abstaining from ranking
 Post Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:02 am 
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So finally the NAF get some balls...

If I'm reading this right, NAF sanctioned tournaments now exclude anyone who is not a member?

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