Dauntless vs. Horns - Gutter Runner

Amon242 · Post by **Amon242** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 6:37 am

I'm currently considering the development path for a defensive Gutter Runner. I'm looking to go the Block/Strip Ball/Horns model, but was wondering if it would be better to give him Dauntless instead of Horns on a double? Any thoughts or experiences anyone would care to share?

Thanks

Amon

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 6:48 am

Horns is a garaunteed 3 ST any time he blitzes, nothing can take it away. But dauntless will help him take on even those nasty Chaos Warriors and ST upgraded freaks. It's a toss up really. I guess it comes down to whether you want a garaunteed 1 die blitz against any ST 3 opponent or a not-so-garaunteed 1 die block against anyone.

Don't worry too much because if you take horns you'll find him in the TZ of ball carrying ogre and if you take dauntless you'll roll snake eyes against that Chaoss Warrior who is about to score.

Count Zappa · Post by **Count Zappa** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:22 am

Dauntless. When successful, you can take on anyone.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:35 am

I'd probably go Horns 1st, then Dauntless, as there's more ST3 players out there than ST4+. But get both to be sure

zeroalpha · Post by **zeroalpha** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:05 am

I think you'd be better off with Dauntless, as the gutter runner is only ST2 adding one ST on the blitz i don't think will helpas much as if you have Dauntless

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:08 am

Dauntless is probably better, but it's a toss up really.

-Balrog

Mortalman · Post by **Mortalman** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:18 am

I reckon you'd probably find horns more useful on a gutter runner, since their advantage is being able to sprint after catchers/skinks and the like anywhere on the field. Big guys, blockers, chaos warriors and so on are less likely to be a scoring threat due to low AG and are unlikely to be able to outrun your team. Therefore get a stormvermin or lineman dauntless at the first opportunity - chances are the main target for your attentions will be on the LOS - and leave the gutter runner to softer things!
It's important to remember that if you fail a dauntless roll and take a beating from a Kroxigor or something else big and spiky you'll be grateful for every point of AV you can get!

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:44 am

Dauntless - because you don't need to move. This in my mind more than compensates for the chance of failure.

BTW if you get another double take horns. They do stack so you've got a 2 dice block on anyone.

Rogerg1979 · Post by **Rogerg1979** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:03 pm

I can vouch for the validity of having a gutter runner with both horns and Dauntless.

My game last week had 3 kills, all by the same gutter runner (The targets? 2 ST4 Chaos warriors and an Ogre), p****d off Shaun no end...

Hee hee...

My point Dauntless+Horns... You know it make sense!

G

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:14 pm

I'd go for dauntless, for two reasons. It works on blocks and on blitzes when you start next to the opponent, and it works against ST4+. Besides, against ST3, it will rarely fail, and you can use a team reroll if it does, so there's not much of an incentive for horns. The only reason for taking horns is if he blitzes a lot of ST2 players.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:38 pm

My experience with Dauntless has made me a believer. Also, you really need someone with the skill on a team like Skaven, or you can't deal with high strength ballcarriers effectively. My 5 AG, Leap, Block, Sure Hands, Dauntless Gutter Runner has caused some serious havoc in the opposition's backfield.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:22 pm

yer always go dauntless first

horns is better on its own on a storm vermin

nkelsch · Post by **nkelsch** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:35 pm

Every 'mutable' team should have one 'goon' with horns/dauntless.

Being able to 2 die block ANY model is a worthy goal.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:38 pm

Always dauntless first. If you get doubles again, get horns, if not, get strip ball.

I love my horns/dauntless GRs, I really do =)

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Dauntless vs. Horns - Gutter Runner

Dauntless vs. Horns - Gutter Runner

Both IS better