Strip Balll & pushing into TD

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:11 am

What!?

Then why does the same rulebook say you can score in the opposistions turn?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:13 am

Cervidal wrote:Pointed out to me in conversation last night:

P. 16:

"A team scores a touchdown when one of their players ends an action standing in the opposing team's End."

I'd interept that as "at the end of an action", doesn't say it has to be THEIR action.

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:16 am

Darkson wrote:
Cervidal wrote:Pointed out to me in conversation last night:

P. 16:

"A team scores a touchdown when one of their players ends an action standing in the opposing team's End."
I'd interept that as "at the end of an action", doesn't say it has to be THEIR action.

Even if you were right, the other players action isn't ended until AFTER the ball scatters.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:22 am

I was pointing more to the fact that Cervidal was saying it's not a TD if a stunty ends a pass in the EZ, or if you push your own player in to the EZ.

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:35 am

Ah, I see.

Cervidal · Post by **Cervidal** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:50 am

Let's analyze this statement:

"A team scores a touchdown when one of their players ends an action standing in the opposing team's End."

Team - subject
scores - verb

when - adverb, modifies the verb scores

...one of their players ends an action standing in the opposint team's End. - adverb clause. There's a fancier name for it but I don't recall it at nearly 4 AM.

one of their players - subject of the adverb clause, referring to a specific one of their players.

ends an action- verb phrase of the adverb clause. What 'one of their players' is doing.
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To score a touch down, the specific player whose action is currently active must be in the endzone. I stand by my conclusions. I can bust out references if you need 'em here.

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Bud Beumel, BA - Secondary Education/English

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:47 am

aaagghh rules lawyers

GalakStarscraper wrote: I disagree. On page 16, it says:
In some rare cases a team will score a touchdown in the
opponent’s turn. For example, a player holding the ball
could be pushed into the End Zone by a block. If this
happens then the team scores a touchdown
Nothing end there at all about the end of an action. I would agree with the others above. As it currently reads in the LRB, its is a TD.

Galak

I think this basically says use common sense. If the player is in control of the ball and standing in the endzone...TD. End of turn.
So what the rules lawyers are saying that a stunty thrown in for a td isn't a td since it doesn't end on the players action....stupid. that's like saying a thrower throwing to a catcher in the endzone isn't a td since it isn't the end of the catcher's action.

neverdodge · Post by **neverdodge** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:51 am

i would say it s not a TD, for the same reason a guy holding the ball being pushed and knocked into the endzone didn t score either. You can t define at wich moment the guy release the ball.

Somewhere it should be written :

"If a player is standing and holding the ball in the opponents team endzone, at the end of any player action, it s a TD"

Cervidal · Post by **Cervidal** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:02 am

I think Galak's passage and my passage directly contradict each other. That needs to be cleared up more than anything.

By removing his passage, you would alleviate the need to redefine a touchdown and questions such as these would not come about.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:11 am

So Cervidal, your catcher dodges away from a couple of players, and runs to the EZ. Your thrower then passes the ball for a sucessful catch. Are you saying you play no TD?

If so, then you're not playing the same game as I and others play, including those at the official BB tournament.

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun May 18, 2003 12:15 pm

Galak - you could always say ANY action - so strictly speaking the TD would be scored when the PUSHER finishes his action. Suddenly Frenzy gains new worth.

If you're going to rule this a TD why not rule it a TD for a failed GFI into the endzone too? Simple argument against it.

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:19 pm

why not rule it a TD for a failed GFI into the endzone too?

A failed gfi lands in the square he tried to gfi from , if your gfi'ing from inside the endzone with the ball, well . . .

neverdodge · Post by **neverdodge** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:24 pm

sean newboy wrote:
why not rule it a TD for a failed GFI into the endzone too?
A failed gfi lands in the square he tried to gfi from , if your gfi'ing from inside the endzone with the ball, well . . .

nop, he fall in the square he move to .. LRB p 20

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:32 pm

oops my bad.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun May 18, 2003 2:20 pm

Yer I play that if a player is standing in the endzone with the ball after all dice rolls and skills affecting how he got there are resolved then its a touchdown. Its the end of action thing that seems to be causeing the confusion.