BB2016: Known Issues (not covered in May 2017 Errata)

[Glamdryn]

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone has compiled a list of known issues and resolutions of Blood Bowl 2016 published products that have not been covered in their May 2017 Official FAQ/Errata document.

If there is nothing out there, we can compile it in this thread.

Cheers!

[Glamdryn]

---LIST OF FUNCTIONAL ISSUES/DISCREPANCIES---
BBA = Blood Bowl Almanac (The Inaugural)
A18 = Blood Bowl Almanac (2018)
HCH = Head Coach's Handbook
S!# = Spike! Issue #

(S!3, pg. 33) Cavorting Nurglings does not have a 0-#. [Missing information.] {Confirmed to be 0-1. REF LINK}

(S!3, pg. 33) Plague Doctor does not have a 0-#. [Missing information.] {Confirmed to be 0-1 and also found in HCH, pg. 40. REF LINK}

(A18, pg. 131) Boomer has stat line of 6237. [Discrepancy w/ Star Player Card Pack.] {Confirmed to be 4329 and also found in HCH, pg. 76. REF LINK}

(Match Inducements Card Pack) Bloodweiser Keg decreased price to 30k. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 55.] {Found in HCH, pgs. 34 & 39.}

(HCH, pg. 34 & 40) Igor, Mortuary Assistant can be induced by Necromantic Horror, Shambling Undead, and Tomb Kings Teams. [Discrepancy with S!4, pg 34.] {The text of the inducement includes Vampires.}

(HCH, pg. 55) Mighty Blow updated for clarity of use, but contains functional change; only opposing player when the MB player blocks. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 109.] {This looks to be an unintended functional change.}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 66) Dark Elf - Blitzers stat line is 7347. [Discrepancy with S!2, pg 6.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 66) Dwarf - Deathroller lost the Stand Firm skill. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 9.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 69) Human - Blitzers accesses are GA/SP. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 121.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 69) Human - Ogre accesses are S/GAPM. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 121.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 72) Orc - Troll price decreased to 100k. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 122.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 73) Skaven - Gutter Runners accesses are GA/APM. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 122.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 74) Underworld Denizens - Skaven Throwers accesses are GM/ASP. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 123.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 74) Underworld Denizens - Underworld Troll price increased to 150k. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 123.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 75) Wood Elf - Wardancers stat line is 7347. [Discrepancy with S!6, pg 6.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 75) Wood Elf - Treeman lost the Loner skill and gained the Timmm-ber! skill. [Discrepancy with S!6, pg 6.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 78) Star Player - Maple Highgrove has the Tackle skill. [Discrepancy with S!6, pg 6.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

(HCH, pg. 80) Star Player - The Swift Twins do not mention their special Loner exception rules. [Discrepancy with BBA.]


---LIST OF NON-FUNCTIONAL ISSUES/DISCREPANCIES---

(HCH, pgs. 3-7) Was not edited to remove Starter Box specific conditions. {Looks like a copy and paste job from the core starter box rule book.}

(HCH, pg. 65) Chaos Renegades to Chaos Renegade. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 119.] {This flip-flops in many places. Prefer "Chaos Renegade Teams" as it is singular.}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 70) Lizardmen - Skink Runners (0-16) not in first position of roster. [Consistency Ordering] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

(HCH, pg. 73) Skaven - Blitzers to Skaven Blitzers. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 122.]

(HCH, pg. 73) Shambling Undead - Ghouls to Ghoul Runners. [Discrepancy with S!4, pg. 6.]

(HCH, pg. 73) Shambling Undead - Wights to Wight Blitzers. [Discrepancy with S!4, pg. 6.]

(HCH, pg. 74) Underworld Denizens - Troll to Underworld Troll. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 123.]

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 78) Star Players - Helmut Wulf plays for Lizardman. [Discrepancy with S!7, pg. 6] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 77) Headsplitter before Hackflem. [Alphabetic Ordering] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 80) The Swift Twins before Swiftvine. [Alphabetic Ordering] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 80) Wilhelm plays for Necromantic. [Consistent Naming] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

(A18, pg. 132) (HCH, pg. 80) Star Player - Varag Ghoul-Chewer to Varag Ghoulchewer. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 132.]

FIXED W/ ERRATA (HCH, pg. 80) Star Player - Zolcath the Zoat to Zolcath. [Discrepancy with S!7, pg. 6.] {Fixed in errata document BB_Head_Coach_Handbook_63-80_Teams.pdf. REF LINK}

(HCH, systemic) Alphabetical order is not maintained throughout the document. {e.g. Look for usage of Tomb Kings; looks like a find replace job on Khemri...}

SEE MORE CHANGES 2 POSTS DOWN!!!

[Glamdryn]

Added HCH issues/discrepancies for Team Rosters and Star Players.

[Melifaxis]

Thanks for compiling this list. I had started to do the same, but will just add here if I see any you missed. l2proofreadGW

[Khail]

Thanks for updating with all the HCH issues - starting up a new league and had recommended we all pick up the HCH for the consolidated ruleset. Pretty bummed about the roster errors.

[Glamdryn]

The HCH contains quite a bit of functional change that is most likely intentional. The twitch preview indicated that no functional changes were added to the HCH beyond clarifications.

So, this post is a PLACEHOLDER for all known changes that look like they are intentional.

---LIST OF INTENTIONAL CHANGES---

(HCH, pg. 23) Assistant Coaches and Cheerleaders removed from kick-off table. [Not a discrepancy in BB2016, but different from CRP.] {While this isn't a discrepancy, I think this may cause new players to miss this rule. It is probably a copy and paste error as the core rules were for beginners.}

(HCH, pg. 34) Choose Inducements step of Pre-Match sequence has been updated for clarity. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 55 and A18, pg. 136.] {BB2016 = CRP}

(HCH, pg. 34) Draw Special Play Cards step of Pre-Match sequence now points to a variant section that contains 3 ways of choosing cards. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 55.] {Wish they included the option of just having cards for inducement purchase. }

(HCH, pg. 39) Weather Mage text for End of Drive was edited for clarity. [Discrepancy with S!2, pg. 34.] {Good change as the text in S!2 was confusing.}

(HCH, pgs. 45 & 56) RR Piling On is now standard skill. CRP Piling On is now an optional variant rule. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 63.] {Really like this approach. Should make everyone happy.}

(HCH, pg. 48) For One-Time Sponsorships, must reroll if the player that upset the sponsors is already MNG. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 65.] {Like the change as it makes the choice between Ongoing and One-Time more interesting.}

(HCH, pg. 48) Ongoing Sponsorships trigger immediately. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 65.] {Like the change as it makes the choice between Ongoing and One-Time more interesting.}

(HCH, pg. 49) Major Sponsorships can be ended just like Ongoing Sponsorships (this is only new for Steelhelm's Sporting Emporium). [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 66.] {Like the change as it removes special rules for each Major Sponsorship, but it is still not clear when Major Sponsorships are ended. The assumption is as soon as you resolve their affects during post-match you can then choose to end them, but that is not explicit in the RAW.}

(HCH, pg. 50) Animosity does not extend to Star Players. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 104.] {Good change added for clarity.}

(HCH, pg. 52) Break Tackle updated to explicitly state after a dodge roll. [Discrepancy with BBA, pg. 106.] {Good change added for clarity.}

(HCH, pgs. 76-80) Brought back the following Star Players unchanged from CRP: {Great!}
- Bomber Dribblesnot
- Fungus the Loon
- Headsplitter
- Hthark the Unstoppable
- Nobbla Blackwart
- Rashnak Backstabber
- Rasta Tailspike (Note: was a Bugman Star Player, not a CRP Star Player.)
- Skitter Stab-Stab
- Ugroth Bolgrot
- Wilhelm 'The Wolf-Man' Chaney (Note: Changed name from Wilhelm Chaney in CRP.)
- Zzharg Madeye

[Glamdryn]

There are a lot of changes in the HCH that I could add to the above post, and I may still if I have time, but for now I'm gonna call it quits.

It would be great if people added their findings to this thread and Ill update the above posts accordingly. When we hear official word from GW, I'll update the above posts as well.

Thanks for reading!!!

[Skitters]

The BB Facebook page added this. Includes a link to a PDF with the full team list and star player list. Can't see this in the downloads section on the Bloodbowl page yet.

'Head's up, sports fans! We've got an important update from the NAF!'
We've just released an update to the Head Coach's Handbook, fixing a small amount of incorrect content that made it into the printed edition. Download it today for the right version of your rules: http://bit.ly/2IWykt6

[Glamdryn]

The BB Facebook page added this. Includes a link to a PDF with the full team list and star player list. Can't see this in the downloads section on the Bloodbowl page yet.

'Head's up, sports fans! We've got an important update from the NAF!'
We've just released an update to the Head Coach's Handbook, fixing a small amount of incorrect content that made it into the printed edition. Download it today for the right version of your rules: http://bit.ly/2IWykt6

Thanks, I have updated the fixed entries above.

[TopsyKretts]

Sad to see Necromunda level of quality control has reached Blood Bowl Looks like lazy work with copy-past errors.

Assistant Coaches and Cheerleaders removed from kick-off table.

Is this the same as the rulebook from the boxed set? Because if it is, it is probably a copy-paste. They made the first rulebook a dumbed down version not to confuse new players.

Also, are there several old star players re-introduced now? Can't remember seeing Bomber Dribblesnot, Fungus the Look and Headsplitter officially included in BB2016 before.

[Glamdryn]

Sad to see Necromunda level of quality control has reached Blood Bowl Looks like lazy work with copy-past errors.

Assistant Coaches and Cheerleaders removed from kick-off table.

Is this the same as the rulebook from the boxed set? Because if it is, it is probably a copy-paste. They made the first rulebook a dumbed down version not to confuse new players.

Also, are there several old star players re-introduced now? Can't remember seeing Bomber Dribblesnot, Fungus the Look and Headsplitter officially included in BB2016 before.

Yes, it is the same as the core rulebook kick-off table.

Yes they reintroduced a bunch, you can see the full list above in a post.

[TopsyKretts]

Yes they reintroduced a bunch, you can see the full list above in a post.

Thanks! Good thing I never actually removed them from my star player list then. Until GW completes this game (which may never happen considering how much stuff they're releasing!), I'm gonna keep a combination of new and old star players.

I'm less concerned about what is "optional" or not. The game as a whole is optional! When I play with friends, we can always agree on what to use for the current game being played. Don't need anyone else to tell me that.

For example, I'm less concerned if "Golden Era" star players are in a separate optional list or not, than if other star players are priced fairly.

[ssb]

Question about the Head Coach Handbook...

MIGHTY BLOW (STRENGTH)
Add +1 to any Armour roll or Injury roll made by a player with the Mighty Blow skill when an opponent is Knocked Down by this player during a block. Note that you only modify one of the dice rolls, so if you decide to use Mighty Blow to modify the Armour roll, you may not modify the Injury roll as well.

MIGHTY BLOW (STRENGTH)
Add 1 to any Armour or Injury roll made by a player with this skill when an opponent is Knocked Down by this player during a block. Note that you only modify one of the dice rolls, so if you decide to use Mighty Blow to modify the Armour roll, you may not modify the Injury roll as well. Mighty Blow cannot be used with the Stab or Chainsaw skills.

MIGHTY BLOW (STRENGTH)
Add 1 to any Armour roll or Injury roll made by a player with this skill when an opponent is Knocked Down by this player during a block. Note that you only modify one of the dice rolls, so if you decide to use Mighty Blow to modify the Armour roll, you may not modify the Injury roll as well. Mighty Blow cannot be used with the Stab or Chainsaw skills.

MIGHTY BLOW (STRENGTH)
Add 1 to any Armour roll or Injury roll made by a player with this skill when an opponent is Knocked Down by this player during a block. Note that you only modify one of the dice rolls, so if you decide to use Mighty Blow to modify the Armour roll, you may not modify the Injury roll as well. Mighty Blow cannot be used with the Stab or Chainsaw skills.

And then we have...

MIGHTY BLOW (STRENGTH)
When an opposition player is knocked down by a block made by this player, this player may choose to add 1 to the Armour roll or Injury roll. This skill is used after the roll has been made, but note that only one of the dice rolls may be modified, so if Mighty Blow is used to modify the Injury roll, Miighty Blow cannot be used with the Stab or Chainsaw skills.

It seems to some of us that it alters the way the skill works.
-> Only the blocking player can use the skill mighty blow. Not the "blocked player".
-> You wouldn't be able to use Mighty Blow on any player, but only on "opposition players".

Contrary to what was usually understood before :
- If you Knock Down a player when being blocked, you could use Mighty Blow.
- an "opponent", is just the player you are blocking, so Mighty Blow could be used on the player you are blocking, not only on a player from the opposing team.

As the NAF clearly states here << that "Rules published in the HCH / HCH download supersede versions that came before."

Since this Head Coach Handbook is full of mistakes, we are not sure what to do about that...

[Glamdryn]

Good find. I noticed that they cleaned up the wording for a few skills, but this definitely looks like an unintended change. Ill add it above.