Re: Foul Appearance and Dump Off
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:35 pm
Answer the question please.
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It is the Player, not the Coach that 'Wants' in the skill description of Foul Appearance. That very coach has declared his future intention to Block, the Will, before the player gets involved.dode74 wrote:Either meaning of the word "will" works: you establish the want to do something before you declare you will (either meaning) do it.
You're too late Itchen said something like this about 3 pages agoBillyDee wrote:*Picks up big wooden spoon*
Your FA guy is stood one square from the end zone on turn 16, the game is 1-1. None of my guys are within blitz range. I "want" to block him, but I can't. Am I still rolling dice for FA..?
I think it is also the player who is referenced in DO, despite your incredulity.Itchen Masack wrote:It is the Player, not the Coach that 'Wants' in the skill description of Foul Appearance. That very coach has declared his future intention to Block, the Will, before the player gets involved.
Are you honestly telling me that the Player Wants to throw a block, he rolls FA, and then if successful the PLAYER declares to the defending player that he now Will make the block?
The target is the player, not the coach, since it is the player being blocked. That means the subject of the sentence is the player, and since we know it is not the coach throwing the block but an opposing player then "opponent" references that player.This skill allows the player to make a Quick Pass when an opponent declares that he will throw a block at him...
I don't think I said I *only* care about what the rulebook says. And if it is necessary to utilise other disciplines to determine what is actually going on then that is sound practice.Loki wrote:Thought you only cared about the rules? sounds like you are delving into any manner of sciences now; physiology, neurology, psychology.
And yet I have, because your "want" happens before your declaration. Because science.In the context of the rules you cannot disengage the Declaration from the Want.
And you have no leverage to say DO before FA. Sure, I'd discuss it beforehand if anyone ever takes FA and DO on the same player, but I think we've established that *at best* it is ambiguous.As I said before I can see your point and can 100% see how GW could FAQ FA before DO but as the rules stand you don't have the leverage to say FA must be done before DO, maybe agree with your opponent beforehand if you come to this situation in the real world.
If you want, assuming you've declared a Block Action or a Blitz Action first. Seems like a waste of time, though, as it will change nothing since you can't actually block whether you pass or fail.BillyDee wrote:*Picks up big wooden spoon*
Your FA guy is stood one square from the end zone on turn 16, the game is 1-1. None of my guys are within blitz range. I "want" to block him, but I can't. Am I still rolling dice for FA..?
I like this As Coach my input into the game is a lot less than i thought.dode74 wrote:The target is the player, not the coach, since it is the player being blocked. That means the subject of the sentence is the player, and since we know it is not the coach throwing the block but an opposing player then "opponent" references that player.This skill allows the player to make a Quick Pass when an opponent declares that he will throw a block at him...
And yet I have, because your "want" happens before your declaration. Because science.Loki wrote: In the context of the rules you cannot disengage the Declaration from the Want.