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 Post subject: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:31 pm 
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Benefits of Training Special card "Last Second Substitution" is not 100% understandable.

You can switch a player from your dugout. Ok?

Must it be placed where the other was standing? Must I keep the set-up and not change a player from LOS too a widezone?

If I can change how ever I want its a good card, but if I can only switch between same players - well then its not worth taking... Ever!!!

Milo or JT can you help me/us with an answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:36 pm 
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Personally I would lean towards a more narrative interpretation, by which I mean that whilst on the board you are swapping one model for another, in reality (humour me) one player jogs off and another jogs on. In that case there is no real reason for the substitute to be in the exact same square/spot on the field as the player he replaces. For me so long as your set up remains legal, put the substitute where you will, it clearly shows a last second change of plan for the drive.

That's how it reads to me and why at any rate. But I can see how it's unclear.
Hope that helps.



That said I can see uses for it the other way. Goading an opponent into a certain set up and then catching them out with a serious Star where a lowly lineman was could upset their plans for instance.

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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:15 am 
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Thanks.

Now it seems like a better card, although there are better cards.


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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:04 pm 
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The card is terrible... "You can switch one of your players on the pitch with a player in the Reserves box of your Dugout." It is sooo situational. Like, you got a super killer star player and want to trap someone? Let's say you got Morg, when is it ever natural to NOT deploy him from start? Opponent gonna understand something is fishy. Compare that to the Switcheroo card in the same deck: Switch a player on the field with a player in dugout at the start of your turn. That is just infinite amount better!


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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:38 pm 
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One potential value to this card is to keep your one-turn scorer in the dugout, wait until you see how your opponent has set up, and then put him on the pitch. It is highly situational, but some of the cards are like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:11 pm 
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Milo wrote:
One potential value to this card is to keep your one-turn scorer in the dugout, wait until you see how your opponent has set up, and then put him on the pitch. It is highly situational, but some of the cards are like that.


"Play at the start of a drive in which you are kicking, before the kick-off."

Maybe reversed, where is the one-turner put from your opponent - then you change your player


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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:28 am 
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stashman wrote:
Milo wrote:
One potential value to this card is to keep your one-turn scorer in the dugout, wait until you see how your opponent has set up, and then put him on the pitch. It is highly situational, but some of the cards are like that.


"Play at the start of a drive in which you are kicking, before the kick-off."

Maybe reversed, where is the one-turner put from your opponent - then you change your player


Oh, good point, I didn't have it in front of me for reference. I could see using it to see where your opponent sets up his players on the LOS, then strategically putting your Treeman/Deathroller/Beast of Nurgle where it could do the most damage/be the most irritating.

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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
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Good for OTT defence. you could hold a stand firm piece in reserve and then screw their plans?

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 Post subject: Re: Last Second Substitution
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:09 pm 
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nazgob wrote:
Good for OTT defence. you could hold a stand firm piece in reserve and then screw their plans?

First good use I've seen so far.


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