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 Post subject: Competition Rules Feedback
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:18 pm 
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I've been led to believe that there is scope to fix any minor typos or errors that have crept into the newest version of the rules. If you see anything you think is wrong, misleading or incorrect please can you let me know so I can feed it back to Jervis?

I've already got the comments about Rat Ogre pricing and some of the changes to earlier pages that Galak mentioned.

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EDIT BY GALAK ... to make this easier on Ian and the remaining BBRC members ... I'll edit and collect any catches in this post:

One page format instead of 2 pages per a page. Some of us are old and need to be able to read the thing.

Page 3: (all of these are missing and needed added back)
1) Block Dice and Six Side Dice section included new rules for understanding how to roll a D3 (not included in LRB 1.0)

2) Throw-in Template section was modified to make it clear what the first square is for a throw-in

3) Scatter Template section: LRB 1.0 says the scatter is the only time the D8 is used .. this is no longer true in the new rules as we used the D8 for other things now

Page 5: (missing and needs added back)
1) The Plastic Range Ruler text was dramatically changed on how it works from LRB 1.0.

Page 10:
1) At end of Follow Up Moves should say "A player that is blitzing" not "A players that is blitzing"

Page 11:
Standing Up should have a blank line above it to seperate it from the Injuries paragraph

Page 15:
1) Under Restarting the Match, 3rd paragraph: "see page 25) for this.." (there is a double stop ... should be just one).

Page 20:
1) Handing Off: "hand-off the ball, he may not move the player performing the Hand-off Action any farther that turn," shoud read "hand-off the ball, the player performing the Hand-Off Action may not move any farther that turn,"

Page 26:
1) New Skills: Says "pages 71 to 77." should say "pages 71 to 76."

Page 31:
1) The list of glittering prizes should have 3 items not 2. The 3rd is:
"3) The winning team receives the ‘fringe benefit’ described below on pages 32 to 33, depending on the trophy they won.

Page 69:
Request for clarification:
Could the last sentence of Bribes read:
"Each bribe can be used once per a match but more than one bribe may be used on a single call by the referee."

TEAMS

Halflings:

1) Something wierd happened with the formatting on the list of star players ... Zara is misaligned and there is an extra ), in there.

Skaven:
1) Rat Ogre should be 150k

Norse:
(first off ... drat GW deleted Beorg Bearstruck and the Kislev Bear figure ... this stuff would be easier if figures would stop vanishing)

1) Catcher should be renamed back to Runners. The player no longer has Catch or Diving Catch. GW is free to use the Catcher figures they already have and sell them as Runners ... no figure change is needed. But calling the player a Catcher when he doesn't have Catch is really messy. If he cannot be renamed back to Runners than he needs to be plural and say Catchers (not Catcher)

2) The Werewolf ... I thought this would be easy but all the Werebear figures have been removed from GW's store recently.
After TFF kicking this around the consensus is that if we could rename the figure to Berserkers (which was the original name for the Blitzer) ... then that links in well with the teams past and gives plenty of WFB modeling matches using Chaos Marauders/Warrior figures to match ... or they can use the Necromantic Werewolf if desired as well. So change Werewolf to Berserkers.

3) Blitzer ... needs to be plural and say Blitzers.

WOOD ELF:
1) Star Players are not aligned properly ... Eldril is showing up on the first line with tons of white space.

FAQs on page 77:
1) FAQ on Pass Block should read: "Pass Block only allows you to move up to 3 squares normally and no more even if your MA is less than 3." The text after about Ball & Chain from that sentence should be deleted.

2) FAQ on Pro 4 from bottom of 1st column. Y,es should be Yes

Saving a big one for last:
The Introduction:
The describers "normal, standard and cutthroat" need to go. LRB 1.0 which is what is being referred to here as normal had Dirty Player at +2/+2, Piling On/RSC Chaos Warriors doing +4/+2 and Ogres on Goblin and Halfling teams. LRB 1.0 was the more cutthroat game and it definitely isn't normal. Especially not when the Cyanide game is using LRB's current rules. So if that sentence could read:

Galak's attempt:
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"League Commissioners who enjoy the rules in the boxed set over the competition rules should feel free to stick with those rules for either their league or tournament play."
It says the same exact thing without offer insult to the community (ie cutthroat) or suggesting that there is something openly wrong with using the competition rules (which the words normal and standard implies).

Jural's attempt:
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The Blood Bowl Competition Rules pack contains a set of alternative and expanded game rules that have been developed in order to maintain game balance in leagues that last for many seasons, (in practical terms years instead of months or weeks.) The additional rules are presented in exacting detail, making them well suited for competitive or precise gaming environments. For these reasons, the rules pack is entirely optional. League Commissioners should feel free to stick with the printed game rules included in the box set, especially in leagues or tournaments which are intended to be informal in nature or have a fixed duration.





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 Post subject: Re: Competition Rules Feedback
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:27 pm 
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That patronising p.o.s. intro needs rewriting.

In fact, how about you tell them that maybe making the "Competition pack" look like it WASN'T thrown together by drunken Lemurs would be a nice idea?

Petty? yes. No less petty than GW have been about this whole ridiculous situation though.

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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:48 pm 
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I agree with Thadrin. Besides the typo for the Rat Ogre and Werewolf for the Necromancer and Norse team, I think the most important change you could impliment would be that damn introduction. Where did the chirpy happy-go-lucky character vanish to off the BB rulebook? Considering your part of the BBRC DoubleSkull's I would wager you could at least try to convince Jervis to do SOMETHING about those opening lines. I mean, maybe the PDF file was a rushed job or something but I think loads of people just want that opening paragraph changed and render them the official rules :S. Unless GW Has some INSANE gambit up their sleeve.


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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:50 pm 
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Please feed back to them the disgust that the majority of the BB community feel at the way leading members of their community have been treated by the high and mighty GW.

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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:54 pm 
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1) They really should acknowledge the BBRC, even if they won't acknowledge the individual members.
2) Single page layout please. If people want to print it smaller I'm sure they know how to do that.

I think they would also do themselves a favour if they they put up some more talk about the status of the rules and the LRB history on the bloodbowl resources page. It would make the whole less insulting to the community and at least give the appreance that there are actual humans working at GW.

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Maybe we should reserve this thread for actual typos, and vent somewhere else? :)

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Norse names: Werewolf / Yhetee can be understood. But there is no reason to change Runner & Beserker to Catcher & Blitzer. The Dark Elf Runner is still called that.

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Remove the factually incorrect and just plain insulting line: "League Commissionaires (sic) who are more interested in running a normal league or less cutthroat style of tournament should feel free to stick with the standard game rules".

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This isn't really an error or minor typo but it would be nice if they could change the werewolf in the Norse team to werebear.


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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:31 pm 
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DoubleSkulls wrote:
Folks

I've been led to believe that there is scope to fix any minor typos or errors that have crept into the newest version of the rules. If you see anything you think is wrong, misleading or incorrect please can you let me know so I can feed it back to Jervis?

I've already got the comments about Rat Ogre pricing and some of the changes to earlier pages that Galak mentioned.

Thanks

Ian


Ian,

I think you know what we all want you to say to Jervis.

I think Jervis knows what we think of this situation.

I think you know that there will be very few people who will be using this ruleset over the "Official Rules", which I can only assume is LRB 1.0, which, as has been said repeatedly, is far more cutthroat and far less balanced than this "competition ruleset" (or what has otherwise been known as LRB 6.0, supposedly the "final official ruleset for Blood Bowl for a number of years to come" in Jervis' own words, until the hosting of this document).

I hope Jervis knows that this may well kill off the Blood Bowl community, as we now have two completely different sets of rules, which will lead to house rules among different gaming groups, which leads to problems at tourneys, etc.

I've got nothing else to add - at least nothing which is in any way constructive.

Oh - and with regard to my sig, you should have seen the first two drafts...

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While I disagree with the prediciments of the poster above me, I do want to add that if they cannot at least get the introduction to be changed to consider the ruelset official, could they at least acknowledge the BBRC? Also, to add to the top, without the points of "BB dying" etc etc, I too would like it if someone on the BBRC contacted Jervis and asked him what can be done to get the full "Lrb6" to be released. The rukles are there, but no credits and no proper intro.

@Nestyr: Considering leagues around the world already vary on LRB 2-4-5 etc, I really dont think the division of rulesets is really the problem, but more so the "Official" stamp and credits, in my view.


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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:39 pm 
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Ian ... let me go through that document and I'll post my list for you to help get the final kinks out.

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Joemanji wrote:
Norse names: Werewolf / Yhetee can be understood. But there is no reason to change Runner & Beserker to Catcher & Blitzer. The Dark Elf Runner is still called that.


You know what they could do? instead of having "Werewolf" in the Norse team, change the position formerly known as "Ulwerener" to "Berserker" and leave the Blitzer as is...that would solve the "two sorts of Werewolf" problem they made for themselves. The team's models even support this...sort of (the monohorn helmet guys are officially berserkers, the winged ones Blitzers.)

I'm absolutely fine with the change to Yhetee though.

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I'll just reiterate what one of the posters above said - can we please get it in single page format? Right now it's very difficult to print out in a useful format.

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What the hell is going on?

Yetees?

werewolves on necro and norse with different stat lines.

i am running a tourney in a few weeks and i dont know what is what?

Lrb 5? Lrb 5 plus x08? lrb 6? competition thingy?

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