LRB 6.0

[Wylder]

The only reason for Galak to cease all communication on the issue like this would be under threat of legal action.

You don't threaten legal action to the author of a rulebook that you are going to release imminently. You do it so that you can pretend the work never existed, and try to stamp out it's existence.

They are trying to kill LRB6, I think that much is obvious. I say we give them a grace period of a month or two (just in case I'm wrong), and then we release our "house rules" documents for the widespread use of the entire community. Create links on free hosting services, spread links around all the BB forums, PM and email copies to everyone who wants them, hell, host them on torrent sites.

Having seen how good LRB5+/LRB6 is in my local league, I just can't bear the thought of the BB community at large going back to LRB5.

[Wee Gobbo]

The only reason for Galak to cease all communication on the issue like this would be under threat of legal action.

You don't threaten legal action to the author of a rulebook that you are going to release imminently. You do it so that you can pretend the work never existed, and try to stamp out it's existence.

I think that is jumping the gun there. Perhaps Galak has now been given a NDA with the iminent release of LRB6. I am optimistic, but I think it is far too early to start jumping on the bandwagon about LRB6 being cancelled. All things considered I see no reason to do otherwise. I think we should be patient, like you said, and wait and see how things progress rather than assume the worst. Things are already quite tense as is, I dont think there is a need to start going all nutjobby and "Doom doom doom!"

EDIT: If it is indeed our worst fears, I must say Galak is taking it rather well, but I just have a feeling that there is nothing horribly urgent going on. In fact I am optimistic, but maybe that is just me.

[Wylder]

I was never accused of being an optimist. So I will admit that maybe I am being hasty.

Hope you're right.

[Welshy]

I also remain optomistic (for now). In fact I consider GW's delay and legal tying up a good thing, the more 'seriously' they take things at the moment the more likely they will support BB seriously again.

The 're-launch' to me is key, if they simply put a PDF on their website with-out fan fare then BB is doomed, if they re-release it as a purchased, printed copy or similar in White Dwarf then expect to see a lot more support from GW. I'm not too nieve to assume a box set for a long while yet, but I would also assume a 'limited edition' simialr to Space Hulk in the next 18months.

These are obviously just my thoughts/wishes, but it makes sense that GW will support BB better if they can make some pennies from it. If we don't here anything within six months, then I to will be on the "We are all doomed" band-wagon.

[Xtreme]

No reason to be optimistic IMO.

They are trying to kill LRB6, I think that much is obvious. I say we give them a grace period of a month or two (just in case I'm wrong), and then we release our "house rules" documents for the widespread use of the entire community. Create links on free hosting services, spread links around all the BB forums, PM and email copies to everyone who wants them, hell, host them on torrent sites.

Give them a month and then join the fight, plans are already being drawn up, but we will give them enough time to do it right before we act.

[Grumbledook]

It needs tidying up before it gets republished imo.

The boxes around the "did you know" for example, the shadow on them just makes two sides of the box look like it has a wider border for no reason.

Be nice if all new graphics were done actually, there is a mismatch of different styles in the rulebook having images taken from different editions.

I'd just like them to get it up on the website for the moment and put the work in for a proper polished published copy afterwards.

[Pagan]

Perhaps Galak has now been given a NDA with the iminent release of LRB6.

I would think an NDA would have been issued before starting any discussion on new rules or posting the accepted changes. Wait and see if he ever uses the terms LRB5+ or LRB6 again .

They are trying to kill LRB6, I think that much is obvious. I say we give them a grace period of a month or two (just in case I'm wrong), and then we release our "house rules" documents for the widespread use of the entire community. Create links on free hosting services, spread links around all the BB forums, PM and email copies to everyone who wants them, hell, host them on torrent sites.

Except you are still using GW's IP and then you start dealing with legitimate C&D orders all over the place. This approach would do nothing positive for the community.

This is the community's game. Don't drink the Kool-aid suddenly now that you can only buy the GW brand when we haven't for the last year.

True, the community is the driving force. But without proper support, the game will suffer. Without a central authority to control rules changes, you'll start seeing leagues running their own custom rules, way beyond house rules people change as it is. The amount of discussion this thread has had shows how important having someone in charge is for a game. Look at Mordheim.

The big "Bloodbowl World Cup" (Cyanide game) is organized with GW, it's upon LRB5 rules (Not complete but LRB5), it's during 2010, link for official rules is the link to GW page (If they get LRB6 it will be not the "good" rules in regard of Cyanid game)...

I don't get all the hatred towards the Cyanide game. While the point is valid, I don't see Games Workshop keeping video and tabletop game apart a big issue. Hosting LRB6 in a new section labeled ‘Tabletop version’ would not be a major issue. Also, if you think GW is a big evil company, then I think you have nothing to worry about the video game. Look at the numbers. A person who buys even one team spends quite a bit more money on that team than GW will ever see from a copy of the game.

We should not be forced to play a worse version of Blood Bowl

Play whatever you want. I'm quite happy with LRB5 or the 5+ we've been using. Has GW required sites hosting 5+ to take that down? Play what your league enjoys and wait and see what happens with LRB6 getting released or not.

[thechosengobbo]

I say we give them a grace period of a month or two (just in case I'm wrong), and then we release our "house rules" documents for the widespread use of the entire community. Create links on free hosting services, spread links around all the BB forums, PM and email copies to everyone who wants them, hell, host them on torrent sites.

Any unauthorised version hosted online can be C&Ded. Sure we can put them out under 'fantasy football' rules and the like, but why are we divorcing leagues and tourneys from one GOOD source of fresh blood that GW supplies to us?

I don't think GW legal is messing around here guys, as much as it's 'our game' and all, I believe GW can (and probably will) make things very hard for our community if we try and take their game from them.

They'd start with ending the NAF as we know it. They'd most definitely go after some of the independent sculptors. I've not researched the legal ability, but I'm pretty sure they can make it hard to organise tournaments as well.

Possibly Galak has simply been sent a nicely worded letter saying "We're getting around to it (or 'not getting around to it' if you're feeling pessimistic) now stop accidentally stirring the community up by talking about it"


Galak: Thanks a lot for the work you've done. It's a shame that it looks like we may not 'officially' see it.

Slinky: I could muse for a while on my opinions about leagues using different rules than the 'official' sets. Rather than dilute this topic even more, I've sent you a PM and we can continue the discussion there.

[purdindas]

Okay.... so I only have old LRB5. Where can I get LRB5+ from?

The rules review is LRB 5.5 or 5+ or experimental rules or whatever you want to call it. That is available from the GW site at the moment.

[Wylder]

They are trying to kill LRB6, I think that much is obvious. I say we give them a grace period of a month or two (just in case I'm wrong), and then we release our "house rules" documents for the widespread use of the entire community. Create links on free hosting services, spread links around all the BB forums, PM and email copies to everyone who wants them, hell, host them on torrent sites.

Except you are still using GW's IP and then you start dealing with legitimate C&D orders all over the place. This approach would do nothing positive for the community.

You'll notice I mentioned using free hosting and torrents. Sure those services can get issued C&D's, but I'm willing to be I can put up new copies on hosting services that can't be traced back to me a lot faster than GW can get them taken down. Then consider that there would be other people willing to do the same.

If GW aren't willing to host the rules then I am beyond caring whether we "keep them on our good side".

[Wee Gobbo]

Despite Galak not being able to comment from now onwards for a certain amount of time, I would suggest Wylder we follow his advice which he has given us a while back before. LRB 6 is most likely on its way and it is best to wait and be patient to see the results rather than try to stir up any complications or actions which may threaten or agitate GW. We all want to see LRB 6, so lets see if it is released first before taking extreme action and blowing the chance of GW even releasing LRB6 because of a hostility.

[thechosengobbo]

If GW aren't willing to host the rules then I am beyond caring whether we "keep them on our good side".

Like it or not, a lot of entrants to our community come from a GW background. Bringing them in and the telling them "but THESE are the rules you'll use with us, don't use GW's, get them from a trrent site" is surely going to discourage some of the potential new blood?

Plus, as someone who is accustomed to recieving nicely coloured block dice every year, and having a couple of central online resources to find out about tournies I'm actually rather hoping we can at least not get on GW's bad side (even if we can't stay on the 'good side').

EDIT:- He got in before I clicked submit, but I'll say "Hear hear" to Wee Gobbo's post.

[Wylder]

Yeah, you two gobbos are probably right. I just have the shits.

Galak does so much good work for this community and he seems to get treated like crap quite a lot.

[Dark_Soul]

I've not researched the legal ability, but I'm pretty sure they can make it hard to organise tournaments as well.

I seroiusly doubt it, unless they also have th power to decide what private (i.e. non-GW) gaming clubs can play.

[thechosengobbo]

I seroiusly doubt it, unless they also have th power to decide what private (i.e. non-GW) gaming clubs can play.

I was thinking more advertisement (especially online) for said tournaments, as opposed to actually trying to ban them.