2013 NAF Dice Announcement on thenaf.net

[Darkson]

People were talking about matching fonts, which I think you might struggle to do without customizing most of the dice.

Not really: http://www.thediceshoponline.com/dice/2 ... ce-Polyset and that was just a very quick (under a minute) search.
Obviously that set isn't ideal as is, but a quick contact, especially for the amout the NAF would need, and I'm sure they could work something out. I've not dealt with many dice companies, but I found Chessex only to ready to help.

[Olaf the Stout]

The dice are a free gift with membership.

This may be the case, but I would bet that the majority of NAF members get most of their membership value from this free gift.

What else does NAF membership get you, besides access to the forums? (not a rhetorical question)

Even when your NAF membership expires, your games are still recorded if you play another NAF member, so it isn't the match records. Each renewal at a tournament gives that tournament some NAF prize support, so there is that. Is there anything else?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'm really not sure what else a NAF membership offers those people who don't run tournaments.

Olaf the Stout

[GreedySmurf]

I'm not 100% sure I understand you Greedy. How could the dice be made to be more matching?

Is it the fact that the font isn't the same on all the dice?

Olaf the Stout

Hey Olaf, As others have said - it's the mismatched fonts. I don't see them as a 'matching' set.

@ Gaxio - I understand that customized d8 and d16 might be a bit problematic or costly (given the NAF fee), hence why I mentioned I would rather just see a customised pair of NAF d6, and call it good. Rather than them throwing in a d8 & d16 which don't actually match. Yes I understand the apparent contradiction of wanting less for my money

[Gaixo]

People were talking about matching fonts, which I think you might struggle to do without customizing most of the dice.

Not really: http://www.thediceshoponline.com/dice/2 ... ce-Polyset and that was just a very quick (under a minute) search.
Obviously that set isn't ideal as is, but a quick contact, especially for the amout the NAF would need, and I'm sure they could work something out. I've not dealt with many dice companies, but I found Chessex only to ready to help.

I bet if you could see the 3 on the d8, it still wouldn't match the 3s in the rest of that lot, or that on a d16.

I think there might be a bit of irony in debating this, though, as my whole point is that such small differences between the dice aren't worth worrying about.

[Darkson]

Can't say for certain, but I used to have (as in, I lost them at tourneys ) matching D6s/D8/D12 that I brought "off the shelf" from a UK webstore (I think it was E4Miniatures, but can't be 100%), and the fonts on them matched perfectly.
It's not difficult - I'm sure if the NAF asked Chessex for example, they could do it easily.

Add in the D6's aren't in the same style as the D8/D16 (look at the corners), so no, they're not "matching".

(And it might be the picture, but the gold aint look different shades, and the plastic seems differnet between the D6 and the other 2.)

[Olaf the Stout]

I'm not 100% sure I understand you Greedy. How could the dice be made to be more matching?

Is it the fact that the font isn't the same on all the dice?

Olaf the Stout

Hey Olaf, As others have said - it's the mismatched fonts. I don't see them as a 'matching' set.

@ Gaxio - I understand that customized d8 and d16 might be a bit problematic or costly (given the NAF fee), hence why I mentioned I would rather just see a customised pair of NAF d6, and call it good. Rather than them throwing in a d8 & d16 which don't actually match. Yes I understand the apparent contradiction of wanting less for my money

In which case I think that's a fair point.

I probably agree with you on just going with matching d6's as well, or including a matching d8, but matching the d6 font to the d8 font if needed.

Olaf the Stout

[Olaf the Stout]

Can't say for certain, but I used to have (as in, I lost them at tourneys ) matching D6s/D8/D12 that I brought "off the shelf" from a UK webstore (I think it was E4Miniatures, but can't be 100%), and the fonts on them matched perfectly.
It's not difficult - I'm sure if the NAF asked Chessex for example, they could do it easily.

Add in the D6's aren't in the same style as the D8/D16 (look at the corners), so no, they're not "matching".

(And it might be the picture, but the gold aint look different shades, and the plastic seems differnet between the D6 and the other 2.)

Chessex make sets of d4, d6, d8, d10 (units and 10's), d12 and d20 that all match in terms of colour and font.

I'm not sure how many sets of dice the NAF get made each year, but I thought it would have been a large enough number to justify getting a completely custom set made. If Virral can do it with Aussie Block dice, then surely the NAF could too.

I'm guessing a lack of lead time is what has led to the outcome we have here though.

Olaf the Stout

[Gaixo]

Even when your NAF membership expires, your games are still recorded if you play another NAF member, so it isn't the match records.

Is that true? I didn't realize that.

Each renewal at a tournament gives that tournament some NAF prize support, so there is that. Is there anything else?

Is that true? Is there a minimum threshold? I've never heard anything about that program.

[SunDevil]

Even when your NAF membership expires, your games are still recorded if you play another NAF member, so it isn't the match records.

I did not get credit for a Goblin match I played at GenCon Bowl 2011 because my opponent was not a NAF member. I remember it vividly because it was the only game I won.

I know that was two years ago but, unless there has been a change, you do not get NAF tourney credit if your opponent is not a NAF member.

I had hoped to play Goblins for a few years to try and increase my NAF Gobbo ranking but this took the steam out of that plan.

[Winged_Human]

I wasn't aware that any matches you played against a non-NAF opponent were recorded. I thought it was only those matches against a registered NAF member.

Interesting.

[spubbbba]

Even when your NAF membership expires, your games are still recorded if you play another NAF member, so it isn't the match records.

I did not get credit for a Goblin match I played at GenCon Bowl 2011 because my opponent was not a NAF member. I remember it vividly because it was the only game I won.

I know that was two years ago but, unless there has been a change, you do not get NAF tourney credit if your opponent is not a NAF member.

I had hoped to play Goblins for a few years to try and increase my NAF Gobbo ranking but this took the steam out of that plan.

But was that opponent a former member who had led his membership lapse?

I think that was referring to people who are on the database but may not necessarily still be members. Though this isn’t usually an issue in the UK as most NAF tournaments give a discount for membership so if you take part in it you may an extra £5 but that is effectively you joining.

[Darkson]

Even when your NAF membership expires, your games are still recorded if you play another NAF member, so it isn't the match records.

Is that true? I didn't realize that.

Yes - I only found that out a year or so ago - if the tournament organiser puts in the NAF ID for lapsed members (for example, by using Score!), then the website will update their ranking. I only found out about it because a couple of players told me a few weeks after one of my tournaments they weren't paid up members, but their rankings had changed.

Each renewal at a tournament gives that tournament some NAF prize support, so there is that. Is there anything else?

Is that true? Is there a minimum threshold? I've never heard anything about that program.

I've never heard that either, and I've never been contcted by a NAF staff member to tell me so (my club-mates normally renew at ours, so we have 5+ renewals each year).

[Darkson]

I did not get credit for a Goblin match I played at GenCon Bowl 2011 because my opponent was not a NAF member. I remember it vividly because it was the only game I won.

I know that was two years ago but, unless there has been a change, you do not get NAF tourney credit if your opponent is not a NAF member.

If he'd never been a NAF member or he had, but the TO didn't use his NAF ID, then it wouldn't be included.
If he had been a member once and the TO used his ID when reporting the scores, it would.

[Olaf the Stout]

Yep, just to be clear, matches are only recorded if you're playing someone who has been a NAF member at some point.

So if you play a game in a tournament against Joe Bloggs, who registered for NAF once back in 2004 but hasn't renewed since then, your game will be recorded. If you play against John Doe, who has never registered for the NAF, your game will not be recorded.

Recording games against non-NAF players has been a topic for discussion a few times before (in Australia at least). Some players would like those games to at least be recorded, even if they aren't included for the purposes of calculating rankings, just so they have a complete record of all their tournament games.

As for NAF tournament support, that's what happens in Australia. The amount isn't huge (a couple of bucks per NAF renewal made at the tournament) and in Australia we also pay $15 for NAF membership. So maybe the extra amount we pay for membership is what goes towards tournament support. I wasn't aware it was an Australia-only thing.

Olaf the Stout

[Fassbinder75]

As for NAF tournament support, that's what happens in Australia. The amount isn't huge (a couple of bucks per NAF renewal made at the tournament) and in Australia we also pay $15 for NAF membership. So maybe the extra amount we pay for membership is what goes towards tournament support. I wasn't aware it was an Australia-only thing.

Olaf the Stout

Paying more for things is a common for Australians as you are no doubt aware!